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To: Misterioso
Where in this article is atheism mentioned?

While the author does not clearly state his atheist perspective, it is pretty clear that he considers religion, per se to be the problem, not merely certain fanatical adherents of one particular religion known as Islam:

Not a war of one religion against another, but of reason against religion--against any belief system that takes its mandate from an invisible spiritual entity and endows its followers with the right to murder or subjugate anyone who fails to come to the same conclusion.

Thus, he makes a false distinction between reason and religion, and he further characterizes religion (again, per se) to mean murdering and subjugating in the name of some 'invisible spiritual entity'. Excuse me if I draw the obvious conclusion that the writer is hostile to ALL religion, not just Islamic terrorists.

As for the 'cult of rationalism', this simply describes the mentality of Randians, followers of Md. Murray O'Hare, the publishers of Skeptic magazine and many outspoken atheistic scientists who tout human reason as the highest standard in all things and often like to spell it with a capital 'R'. I do not mean that there is an organized cult or official religion, nor was it meant to be derogatory. The simple fact is that there are many people who, lacking a belief in God, substitute Reason as their god and habitually castigate all religions and all religious persons for the atrocious acts of a few extremists. However, they would be loathe to take the blame, as atheists, for all the atrocities committed by atheists throughout history (French Revolution, Marxism, Marque de Sade, etc.) Gee, THAT would be unfair, wouldn't it?

100 posted on 10/25/2002 10:41:15 PM PDT by pariah
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To: pariah
I think the author would have been more on point if he had said "reason against a religion" and, actually, that is what I thought he meant. It would seem obvious to anyone, including the writer, that only one religion engages in subjugation and murder. I would agree that he probably is an atheist or an agnostic, but that doesn't disqualify him as a critic of Islam.

After employing the term "cult" for describing the mentality of those with whom you disagree, you claim you did not mean it in a derogatory way. That is disingenuous. And you continue the fiction that atheism is a religion. You've got to understand that atheism, by definition, is holding no belief in the supernatural. It is not believing as opposed to believing not. This is a ruse in common use by believers, perpetuated to confuse those who are less adept at language. I see now why you are uncomfortable with the "R" word.

102 posted on 10/26/2002 12:28:00 AM PDT by Misterioso
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To: pariah
substitute Reason as their god and habitually castigate all religions and all religious persons for the atrocious acts of a few extremists. However, they would be loathe to take the blame, as atheists, for all the atrocities committed by atheists throughout history (French Revolution, Marxism, Marque de Sade, etc.)

Gee, THAT would be unfair, wouldn't it?

I think the Pythagorean school was pretty disturbed at the (to them, theological) implications of the discovery of the inadequacy of the rational number system . . .

120 posted on 10/26/2002 9:14:56 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: pariah
Well worth repeating ...

Thus, he makes a false distinction between reason and religion, and he further characterizes religion (again, per se ) to mean murdering and subjugating in the name of some 'invisible spiritual entity'. Excuse me if I draw the obvious conclusion that the writer is hostile to ALL religion, not just Islamic terrorists.

As for the 'cult of rationalism', this simply describes the mentality of Randians, followers of Md. Murray O'Hare, the publishers of Skeptic magazine and many outspoken atheistic scientists who tout human reason as the highest standard in all things and often like to spell it with a capital 'R'. I do not mean that there is an organized cult or official religion, nor was it meant to be derogatory. The simple fact is that there are many people who, lacking a belief in God, substitute Reason as their god and habitually castigate all religions and all religious persons for the atrocious acts of a few extremists. However, they would be loathe to take the blame, as atheists, for all the atrocities committed by atheists throughout history (French Revolution, Marxism, Marque de Sade, etc.) Gee, THAT would be unfair, wouldn't it?

It's a certified pleasure to see you here, pariah.

180 posted on 10/27/2002 6:40:32 PM PST by Phaedrus
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To: pariah
false distinction between reason and religion

Prominent theologians since at least Aquainas have made this distinction. Some have tried, to be sure, to reason their way to some sort of vague omnipotent creator, but I think even the Catholic church holds the foundations of their intricate beliefs to be a matter of faith. Faith--as opposed to reason.

Of course, if you have a logical proof of your religious beliefs, then please share it with the world. If it holds up to rational scrutiny your's will undoubtedly become the final religion and we can finally dispose of what you call a "false distinction".

958 posted on 11/24/2002 9:50:29 PM PST by beavus
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