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To: xzins
You obviously don't have a 20 year career in the Army and KNOW that the Army doesn't produce this kind of idiot.

Oh, please. The guy received his firearms training in the Army. If he didn't have the weapons familiarity he learned in the Army, this might not have happened. That's just reality. It's like you guys are arguing for some sort of gag order barring any mention of the fact that he is an army vet.

Most of us recall a famous former Marine who used his weapons training to kill. I'm a Marine, and don't take any offense at mentions of that because its just stating a fact. Nobody is saying that all army veterans are kooks or serial murderers. If you guys are perceiving it that way, then that's just your own paranoia. And if someone actually is saying that, then condemn them for the blanket statement. Don't condemn them for mentioning a detail that's relevant to painting an accurate overall picture of this guy. The truth is that neither the Army nor the Marines have any sort of immunity from producing a**holes.

As someone else pointed out early, the guy's name clearly identifies him as a moslem, so that's not exactly a secret. Its legitimate for people to wonder how he learned to shoot and, to that extent, his army experience is a relevant element of the story that should be reported. Lighten up. Heck, I'm a Gulf War vet, but I think its interesting that this guy was too. I don't take that as a slam or accusation against Gulf War vets in general. It's just reporting a story.

171 posted on 10/25/2002 7:26:34 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: XJarhead
The major issue about this guy is that he's ex-Army??? I think that's terribly nearsighted. I think being ex-Army is NOT the impetus that caused these killings. Therefore, to characterize him as ex-Army gives the IMPRESSION that his "former military" status is what we should be looking at.

Here's the truth.

We have not seen a single overview of his Islamic life. They have not showed us a clip of the mosque he regularly attended. They've not interviewed his Imam. They've not done a rundown on others from his "islamic" region of the country who've also engaged in deadly behavior. They've not run clips of the Louis Farrakhan crowd and the hate speeches that come from them. They've not profiled the million man bodyguards and their backgrounds.

Given that Islamics are killing Americans in our country and around the world and that many branches of that religion consider themselves at war with the U.S. (great satan), I'd say that the IMPORTANT characteristic of J. Mu'Mad is his Islamic connections.
231 posted on 10/26/2002 3:27:45 PM PDT by xzins
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