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Police Investigate Killings of Illegal Immigrants in Desert
New York Times ^ | 10/22/02 | NICK MADIGAN

Posted on 10/23/2002 12:35:11 AM PDT by kattracks


RED ROCK, Ariz., Oct. 22 — The police are investigating whether armed vigilantes, self-appointed guardians of the border with Mexico, fatally shot at least two illegal immigrants in the desert last week.

A 32-year-old man who was part of a group of a dozen migrants waiting to be picked up by smugglers at a pond just west of here last Wednesday told investigators that he escaped through the brush after two men wearing camouflage fatigues descended on the group, firing an automatic rifle and a pistol.

Police officers found two bodies riddled with bullets and no sign of the remaining nine migrants. It is not known whether they escaped or were loaded into vehicles and taken away, either dead or alive.

Mike Minter, a spokesman for the Pinal County Sheriff's Department, said detectives were looking into several possibilities, including a suggestion that the shootings were a result of a dispute between rival coyotes, as the smugglers who guide migrants across the border are called.

Mr. Minter said the nine missing people "may have been taken from one coyote group by another coyote group." Conversely, he said, the possibility that vigilantes were involved "hasn't been ruled out."

Migrants-rights advocates in Tucson, about 30 miles southeast of here, say the killings are part of a vigilante terror campaign intended to stop the flow of immigrants from Mexico.

The advocates discounted the notion that rival coyotes, who usually blend in with their charges so as to avoid detection, were responsible for the killings.

"Never have I seen a coyote or a smuggler wear camo or military dress," said John M. Fife, pastor of Southside Presbyterian Church in Tucson and a former member of the Sanctuary movement, which helped political refugees, primarily from Central America, gain asylum in the United States in the 1980's.

At a news conference on Monday, Isabel Garcia, 49, a public defender in Pima County and co-chairwoman of the Human Rights Coalition/Indigenous Alliance Without Borders, said the killings "crystalize the increasingly hostile and violent atmosphere created by failed U.S. border policies."

Members of the self-professed border guardian groups denied any connection to last week's deaths. Glenn Spencer, founder of American Border Patrol, based in Sierra Vista, 19 miles north of the Mexican border, said his associates carried weapons during their patrols only for protection against mountain lions.

But Mr. Spencer, 65, acknowledged that his goal was to repatriate all illegal immigrants, even ones who have been in the country for years.

"They're able to outsmart us all the time," Mr. Spencer said of the migrants. "I'm not interested in enforcing the law. It's about telling the American people what's going on at the border."

Roger Barnett, who lives on a 22,000-acre ranch two miles north of the border, near Douglas, and who heads Ranch Rescue, the most visible of the citizens' patrol groups, said coyotes were responsible for the killings last week. The border was "out of control," Mr. Barnett said.

"The government has left us alone out here — they forgot about us," Mr. Barnett said from his tow-truck shop in Sierra Vista. "They got one hell of a problem here with these invasions from Mexico."

Mr. Barnett, who has allied himself with Mr. Spencer's group, said he and his brother, Donald, had detained at least 8,000 illegal immigrants over the past four and a half years and turned them over to the United States Border Patrol. He said that the migrants, who are made to sit on the ground, sometimes "get mouthy with us" and that he was forced to become physically aggressive to control them.

"If you go out there and you're not armed, you're a fool," said Mr. Barnett, who carries a 9-millimeter pistol. "Who's going to protect you out there?"

A brochure distributed by one of the citizens' patrols urges volunteers around the country to "come and stay at the ranches and help keep trespassers from destroying private property." Next to a headline that reads "Fun in the Sun," the invitation says that volunteers "may be deputized if necessary."

Members of Ranch Rescue said that, clad in camouflage and armed with semiautomatic rifles, they seized about 280 pounds of marijuana a week ago from smugglers crossing the border near Lochiel, 65 miles south of Tucson.

Sheriff Marco Antonio Estrada of Santa Cruz County, where Lochiel is, said Ranch Rescue teams did not have the training to intercept drug traffickers and might lead such smugglers to believe that trafficking was easier, if they were not up against federal officers or local deputies.

"I have concerns that they're not really welcome, or really not needed," Sheriff Estrada said of the citizens' patrols. "They are not helping law enforcement, definitely not."

The known survivor of last week's shootings is being cared for by Mexican consular officials in Tucson, who declined to make him available for comment because he is a material witness in the case.

Carlos Flores Vizcarra, the consul, said so-called vigilantes who police the border "put out a message of fear and intimidation" that prevents a resolution of larger questions of immigration.

Farther north, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department is investigating the killing of eight men, at least six of them Mexican citizens, whose bodies were found from June to September in the desert west of Phoenix. The men were gagged and handcuffed or bound with duct tape and elastic bands. Seven had been shot in the back of the head; the eighth was stabbed.

Investigators were looking into the possibility that smugglers had killed them for their money, or that they were involved in drug trafficking. Lt. J. J. Tuttle, a sheriff's department spokesman, said hate groups or vigilantes might also be to blame.

A broad expanse of desert in southern Arizona has been the nation's busiest region for illegal border crossings for the past five years, with more than 333,000 arrests by the Border Patrol in the fiscal year ending Sept. 30. With 261 miles of border, the area has become even more active since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, which brought increased enforcement of restrictions on crossings in California and Texas.

The harsh conditions of Arizona's deserts led to the deaths of at least 134 migrants, primarily from dehydration and exposure, in the 2002 fiscal year ended Sept. 30, up from 11 in 1998. The number is more than double that of the second-most-perilous district, in eastern California, where 63 people died in the last fiscal year.

At the scene of the shootings here, yellow police tape fluttered in the breeze tonight by the algae-covered pond. On the ground, four sticks were arranged in the form of a cross; while underneath them an X had been burned into the dirt. David Cook, assistant manager of the Red Rock Custom Feeding Company, about a mile west of the pond, recalled his conversation with the survivor of the shootings, who had gone there for help in what Mr. Cook called a "panicked" state.

"He kept telling me, `They were soldiers, they were soldiers', " Mr. Cook said. "I told him that soldiers don't kill people up here."



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1 posted on 10/23/2002 12:35:11 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Funny, how the NewYork Slime left this little tidbit of information out of their one-sided story.

Ranger's border killing prompts call for hearing

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS WASHINGTON - The fatal shooting of a park ranger helping to apprehend two men who had crossed the U.S.-Mexican border prompted Rep. Tom Tancredo to seek a congressional hearing into the homeland security role of public land officers.

National Park Service Ranger Kris Eggle, 28, was shot to death Aug. 9 in the Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument while helping to chase two men suspected by Mexican officials of killing four men over a drug debt.

One suspect was killed and the other was arrested.

Tancredo, R-Colo., said officers with the U.S. Forest Service, the Bureau of Land Management, the Fish and Wildlife Service and the National Park Service stationed along the border are being forced to patrol thousands of acres of the frontier without being given adequate resources.

"They're not really trained for that," Tancredo said. "We need to take a good look at exactly what their role should be."

Tancredo asked Rep. George Radanovich, R-Calif., chairman of the parks subcommittee, and Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Colo., chairman of the forests subcommittee, to hold a hearing on the issue when Congress returns from its August recess.

Tancredo, chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus, has called for a crackdown along the U.S.-Mexican border, including using military patrols.

He recently toured both the northern and southern borders and said Wednesday that morale is abysmal on both because Border Patrol agents and park rangers don't believe they are getting the support needed to do their jobs.

2 posted on 10/23/2002 1:02:04 AM PDT by healey22
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To: healey22
The Times should change their slogan to "All The News That Fits Our Agenda We Print".
3 posted on 10/23/2002 1:05:11 AM PDT by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Sheriff Marco Antonio Estrada of Santa Cruz County, where Lochiel is, said Ranch Rescue teams did not have the training to intercept drug traffickers and might lead such smugglers to believe that trafficking was easier, if they were not up against federal officers or local deputies.

The Sheriff's right. Better to let the drugs go through without anyone detecting them so that the smugglers are made aware of just how hard it is to smuggle.

5 posted on 10/23/2002 1:47:26 AM PDT by Timm
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To: Carry_Okie; Free the USA; Tancredo Fan; Tancred; Spiff; backhoe; Helix; Brownie74; bok; 4Freedom; ..
ping
7 posted on 10/23/2002 6:23:32 AM PDT by madfly
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To: kattracks
Never have I seen a coyote or a smuggler wear camo or military dress," said John M. Fife, pastor of Southside Presbyterian Church in Tucson

Have they ruled out the Mexican army? The Mexican army is all along the border and maybe the two they shot had drugs on them and didn't pay their bribes or were working for a competing cartel.

8 posted on 10/23/2002 6:28:52 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: kattracks
Police officers found two bodies riddled with bullets and no sign of the remaining nine migrants.

Plus anti-immigrant vigilantes would have had more than two bullets and wouldn't have risked having nine immigrants left alive to identify them. It's not vigilantes.

9 posted on 10/23/2002 6:30:47 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Clinton Is Scum; norton; Under the Radar; Slip18; Teacher317; NorseWood; cynicom; WhiteGuy; ...
The witness who saw "soldier's uniforms/camo" conveniently allows the NYT to speculate that this could be the work of Glenn Spencer's group.
10 posted on 10/23/2002 6:34:04 AM PDT by madfly
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To: kattracks
Roger Barnett, who lives on a 22,000-acre ranch two miles north of the border, near Douglas, and who heads Ranch Rescue,

Barnett may be a member of Ranch Rescue - but he certainly is not it's leader. Jack Foote is the national leader. This is just one example of the stuff the NYSlimes got wrong in this slanted article.

11 posted on 10/23/2002 6:49:56 AM PDT by Spiff
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To: kattracks
"Sheriff Marco Antonio Estrada of Santa Cruz County, where Lochiel is, said Ranch Rescue teams did not have the training to intercept drug traffickers and might lead such smugglers to believe that trafficking was easier, if they were not up against federal officers or local deputies.

"I have concerns that they're not really welcome, or really not needed," Sheriff Estrada said of the citizens' patrols. "They are not helping law enforcement, definitely not."

Whats the matter Estrada? Something cutting into your yearly drug bonus? You consider that part of your salary? I'm sure we all appreciate the fine job you have done on the border but padding your 401k with pay off money is not what citizens have in mind for your retirement.

12 posted on 10/23/2002 6:51:42 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: kattracks
These "Immigrant Advocacy" groups are the modern day version of Lenin's "useful idiots". Liberals are disgusting pieces of trash!
13 posted on 10/23/2002 6:52:21 AM PDT by wjcsux
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To: madfly
My brother-in-law was murdered in Pinal County just about this time last year. He was murdered by four illegal immigrants. He had just finished having dinner at a truck stop there, and was enroute to CA. At the truck stop, four men aged 18 to 25, beat him to death with bats. No money was stolen. The waitress who had served him held him until the ambulance arrived. He died in the ambulance.

These four illegals had done the same sort of beatings four times prior to my BIL being murdered. All victims (males) had blue eyes. The Pinal County Sheriff's Office knew who they were the night before my BIL was murdered. There is not enough manpower for the influx of illegal aliens.

Agreed, not all illegal aliens (not even most) are murderers, but my BIL died because he was in a truck stop at the wrong time in the wrong county in AZ.

There has been no final outcome on the trial of the only two murderers left in jail. Trial is coming up in November. One of the illegals who talked, was OR'd. He's been missing since his OR. Another posted a small bail. He is missing.

14 posted on 10/23/2002 6:57:32 AM PDT by Slip18
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To: kattracks
I think the primary purpose of this article was to get it in people's minds that citizen border patrol is really just hate groups or more bluntly Nazi's. All the execution style murders around the border are starting to look real bad so lets blame the Nazi's instead of our govt's refusal to enforce the laws and the scumbags that take advantage of it.

It's really the same type of argument we see on FR all the time coming from Rino's and other leftists.

15 posted on 10/23/2002 7:32:28 AM PDT by PuNcH
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To: kattracks
"I have concerns that they're not really welcome, or really not needed," Sheriff Estrada said of the citizens' patrols. "They are not helping law enforcement, definitely not."

This is a really telling statement. He thinks "law enforcement" is constituted by "law enforcers," government employed police power. Unfortunately those government employees are doing a piss poor job of it but still want the monopoly franchise even if they are failing at it. He might as well have called Spencer's group "scabs."

16 posted on 10/23/2002 8:16:32 AM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Slip18
I'm so sorry to hear about your brother-in-law. How awful -- and enraging -- for you, your sister and your family to have to live with this the rest of your lives. When those vermin get to the "Other Side", they are going to have a lot to answer for from the Man Upstairs. My prayers go out to you.

Every time I hear stories like this I just angrier at Bush and the Congress for ignoring the illegal invasion going on full speed ahead. Bush's "Homeland Security Act" is one big joke. I am so digusted with him, and his two-faced act about "protecting Americans."

17 posted on 10/23/2002 9:31:12 AM PDT by hot august night
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To: madfly
Thanks for the ping. This is the most inaccurate story I have ever seen in the New York Times. The reporter should be fired and a retraction printed.
18 posted on 10/23/2002 11:35:57 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan
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What's the matter Estrada? Something cutting into your yearly drug bonus?

The term used by the narcotrafficantes for such allies and accomplices as Sheriff Estrada is *poco dedo*, a *little finger*. Some are there because they're frightened men who have real concerns for the safety of their families, some are simply corrupt cops on the payroll who have sold their badges for drug money, and some are a combination of both.

19 posted on 10/25/2002 2:55:52 PM PDT by archy
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