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Our economic prosperity and intellectual ability are reasons for younger people examining the concept of marriage. The traditions that we, older folks grew up with are no longer effective on the younger people.

Well, I'm was born in '71, I grew up with the feminists infiltrating my elementary education. I don't consider it to have given me greater enlightenment. Rather I would say that it decidedly muddied the waters, as the chaos in our current culture proves out.

I will not tackle religion, since it is not the subject here, even though it is related a bit.

I admit, my general perceptions are very tied to my religious beliefs, I like to hope that I can debate certain issues on the level I'm engaged, how well I do is for others to decide. BUT there are some issues that I can't seperate from religion because it is the foundation of my opinion and beliefs on them.

The male desire for sex and relationship is different from the female, and hence the age old conflict. It has been dictated on males to live a monogamous life, and disregard their sexual urges to spread their seeds at any and all the females that they are attracted to

With all due respect, I would have to disagree with you. There are many cultures now and throughout history in which the women were allowed just as much promiscuity as the men. And they embraced it wholeheartedly! Women are as enthusiastic and appreciative as men in that regard.

The only differences would be those imposed by childbirth. You're right. It definitely slows them down for a time but in the cultures that practiced more community-type child raising, it didn't keep them slow for long.

It has been dictated on males to live a monogamous life, and disregard their sexual urges to spread their seeds at any and all the females that they are attracted to. That unnatural constraint causes psychological dilemma for most guys, and is the root cause of most divorces.

What imposed the monogomous life in many cultures was religion. It imposed it on both the men and the women. As you can see today, women without any boundaries of religion or society are just as promiscuious as men.

It is not the women alone that uphold the monogomous lifestyle. In my personal relationships, men are quite adamant that if I am with them, I am with THEM. Not several others at the same time. They are fully in favor of my maintaining a monogomous relationship. Many women do not and it isn't due to suppressing their natural, sexual urges, but rather following them. :)

Do you disagree, though, that cultures that maintained a stable family unit of one husband/one wife by far out-produced and were by far more advanced that the cultures that lacked such a stability?

(I tried to debate this minus my religios beliefs up to here...but my last point has to tie it in. ) The final analysis is that the relationship between a man and a woman is most beneficial, most complete, and most fulfilling to BOTH and to society as a whole when it follows the teaching of the originator of the relationship in the first place.

In the end, I guess I basically agree with your final comment:

We need to understand the genetic impulses, and the best honest way to deal with them.

" The final analysis is that the relationship between a man and a woman is most beneficial, most complete, and most fulfilling to BOTH and to society as a whole when it follows the teaching of the originator of the relationship in the first place. "

Amen, GirlNextDoor!

It's been a very long time since I've played the dating game, and this thread is a real eye opener.

I'm reminded of the movie The Matrix, in which all of society is deceived into what "reality" is. I fear that in regards to male-female relationships of any kind, our own society is just as clueless as the characters in the movie.

Modern culture has devolved relationships into preludes to sex. In response, some people have taken advantage of that, blinding themselves to what a real relationship can be. Others have run quickly in the other direction, hesitating to have any kind of relationship with the opposite gender, they, too, blinding themselves to what a real relationship can be.

One of the final thoughts in The Matrix was "how do you 'rescue' an entire world that's been deceived?"

I'm afraid that's above my pay grade.

It is a breath of fresh air to have some one like you discuss this subject intellectually without spamming me to death for addressing taboos.

I am actually 20 years older, and consequently not familiar with the promiscuity of young females. From my own experience, guys wanted to spread their seeds, and gals were obsessed to get married to have children. I am not sure if they messed around after they got married? Or if they were constantly fighting the urges to have sex with other guys, for the sport of it?

The cultures were women have more promiscuity are essentially a few Amazon tribes, which are not good or fair representation of the human race.

The religion thing is a very interesting angel. King Solomon, reportedly had 1000 wives, Abraham, David, all throughout the bible the guys had many wives, and they were allowed to have sex with their slaves as well. In that time a rich man can have many slaves! Therefore, it amuses me to see the believers disregard the polygamy and the slavery aspect of these so called men of God?

I actually learned that in Europe, only a couple of hundred years ago, the master of the house was allowed to have sex with his female workers, and girls as young as 9 years old were permitted to marry and have sex at such young age. The religion component of sexual relationship is fascinating. Thanks again for your learned reply.