Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: right2parent
The state's parens patriae power is limited and regulated as are all the powers of the state.

In uncorrupted principle, sure. Practice has reflected a different---and yes, unconstitutional---view. To have judges follow what you say, you would need to bring a court case seeking to affirm that principle, and have the justices rendering the decision so affirm. Any plans to bring any such before your state supreme court? Do you have someone willing to act as the test case?

491 posted on 10/30/2002 6:52:49 AM PST by Z in Oregon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 490 | View Replies ]


To: Z in Oregon
To have judges follow what you say, you would need to bring a court case seeking to affirm that principle, . .

Or make it the only issue to appeal. I don't expect it would be decided be our state supreme court, but it raises an issue of due process for the federal courts. I have been principally engaged in child support issues and litigation involving a little known family protection provision in the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1301(d)). A few here have raised the fathers natural right to guardianship argument in various pleadings, but we have not yet made a focussed argument. It would be best to find someone who has just been served a petition for divorce to challenge the courts taking jurisdiction of a custody issue without a parental fitness hearing and decision. That could tie up everything, or give pause for the petitioner's reconsideration, which is the whole point.

I have a great deal of research done on older decisions that affirmed this position, and the history of decisions that gradually made it look like the "best interest" review was required (under probate authority) rather than "grave and weighty" reasons for interfering with a father's natural rights. The cases cited became those that found the father's unfitness, or some danger to the child were it to be left in his care. The rest seems to be due to uneducated lawyers, or an intentional perversion of the process.

497 posted on 10/30/2002 10:23:15 AM PST by right2parent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 491 | View Replies ]

To: Z in Oregon
To have judges follow what you say, you would need to bring a court case seeking to affirm that principle, . .

Or make it the only issue to appeal. I don't expect it would be decided be our state supreme court, but it raises an issue of due process for the federal courts. I have been principally engaged in child support issues and litigation involving a little known family protection provision in the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1301(d)), in addition to a federal action to strike down Minnesota's Battered Women's Act (see my web site). A few here have raised the fathers natural right to guardianship argument in various pleadings, but we have not yet made a focussed argument. It would be best to find someone who has just been served a petition for divorce to challenge the courts taking jurisdiction of a custody issue without a parental fitness hearing and decision. That could tie up everything, or give pause for the petitioner's reconsideration, which is the whole point.

I have a great deal of research done on older decisions that affirmed this position, and the history of decisions that gradually made it look like the "best interest" review was required (under probate authority) rather than "grave and weighty" reasons for interfering with a father's natural rights. The cases cited became those that found the father's unfitness, or some danger to the child were it to be left in his care. The rest seems to be due to uneducated lawyers, or an intentional perversion of the process.

501 posted on 10/30/2002 12:30:21 PM PST by right2parent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 491 | View Replies ]

To: Z in Oregon
To have judges follow what you say, you would need to bring a court case seeking to affirm that principle, . .

Or make it the only issue to appeal. I don't expect it would be decided be our state supreme court, but it raises an issue of due process for the federal courts. I have been principally engaged in child support issues and litigation involving a little known family protection provision in the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1301(d)), in addition to a federal action to strike down Minnesota's Battered Women's Act (see my web site). A few here have raised the fathers natural right to guardianship argument in various pleadings, but we have not yet made a focussed argument. It would be best to find someone who has just been served a petition for divorce to challenge the courts taking jurisdiction of a custody issue without a parental fitness hearing and decision. That could tie up everything, or give pause for the petitioner's reconsideration, which is the whole point.

I have a great deal of research done on older decisions that affirmed this position, and the history of decisions that gradually made it look like the "best interest" review was required (under probate authority) rather than "grave and weighty" reasons for interfering with a father's natural rights. The cases cited became those that found the father's unfitness, or some danger to the child were it to be left in his care. The rest seems to be due to uneducated lawyers, or an intentional perversion of the process. It is, however, still the law.

502 posted on 10/30/2002 12:36:19 PM PST by right2parent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 491 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson