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To: ValerieUSA
"Of course. That's because this is a male bitching thread. ... Let's just ignore Valerie's personal anecdote - it doesn't fit the male victimology agenda."

I am sorry, but I disagree with you. When women complain (granted, women tend to vocalize more) we males are expected to understand and be supportive. Here is a thread where we are responding to specific complaints -and making many valid points, and your summarization is a dismissive slang term for irritable unsubstantiated complaining for it's own sake? You could learn a lot from some of the points raised.

You see, men do not have an intrisnic need to spend time complaining about issues. We tend to be more straightforward and attempt to deal with the problem directly in an effort to resolve it.

There were several posts here where the men all made essentially the same point. I feel saddened that you are apparently ignoring quite a few excellent comments. You might have been able to help some others if you would only take the time to look at the validity of the responses.

287 posted on 10/28/2002 2:08:34 PM PST by Utilizer
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To: Utilizer
How can I possibly help anyone?
Does anyone here even want me to try?

Who is expecting you males to be supportive and understanding? Like that's gonna happen!

Here I am being a realistic woman, and you don't like it. Y'all would much rather think we're creatures of fantasy, greed, immorality and delusion just looking to hitch a ride on your blazing stars.
Shine on all alone - it doesn't bother me a tiny bit. Why should it?

You think I could learn a lot from these posts -- like what? What can I learn that I don't know? Some men and some women screw each other sometimes. That's really helpful. I feel so educated now.

I do not feel an intrinsic need to complain about issues. I haven't complained here. I've just made a few observations and told my story matter-of-factly. How does that equate to "ignoring quite a few excellent comments"? Just what am I supposed to say to these excellent comments? Beg forgiveness?
288 posted on 10/28/2002 2:20:17 PM PST by ValerieUSA
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