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To: Z in Oregon
The marriage-destroying trend that needs to end is the judicial presumption of mother custody post-divorce. End that, everything else follows.

That is THE key to ending this mess....and that is exactly why it will never change. Perhaps "never" is too strong of a word. Let's just say that the industry (yes, folks, it's a business. Think about it) will go to extroardinary measures to preserve the status quo.

If you all think things are bad now, just wait a few more years. The industry will eventually get so draconian that a lot more men, perhaps as early as 18 years of age, will start getting vasectomies to keep from falling into the same trap that they saw their fathers fall prey to. When these marxists running the system can't use men's own children to as a means of control and extorsion, then they will go after men who just date women that already have kids from another man. I don't mean the paternaty fraud that has become so fasionable in recent years. I mean if you are fool enough to date a women with kids for an extended period, or co-habitate, you will get stuck for child support just like the father did. Don't even try to think that it can't happen.

154 posted on 10/23/2002 8:30:39 PM PDT by Orangedog
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To: Orangedog
You're wrong that things will never change:

Every weight has a counterweight.

Nature of the universe, and societies.

I recognize the size, scope, and power of the patronage network that needs to be overthrown.

And yes, one of the key ideologies feminazis are pushing is the idea that a "father" is any man a woman with kids wants money from---and nothing more.

155 posted on 10/23/2002 8:39:21 PM PDT by Z in Oregon
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