[Z in Oregon]

Men can achieve their primary objective without marriage.

If you think that the primary objective of men is meaningless dalliances, you completely misunderstand the nature of manhood. What you say applies to the sleazy minority, not to the noble majority.

[anniegetyourgun]

I wish I could believe you about the 'majority'....but alas, even the majority of women are sleazy. So it is with the nature of mankind. On this matter alone, we can use abortion statistics as a great example. Men have it within their complete control to virtually eliminate abortions in this country by being 'noble' in their behaviors toward women. However, most are content to use their girlfriends, take them to be scraped out when pregnant, and bring them back to their apartment to use them some more. Do women participate in this process? Yes, of course. But can they get pregnant outside of marriage without the aid of a man? Not without expense and extraordinary medical treatment.