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Since Joe used to charge the monthlies on the 20th of the month, and the new system charges on the date you sign up for it, during the Freepathon monthly donors were told not to sign up under the new system until after the first of the month, to avoid being charged twice in September... once on the 20th, (before the 'thon started) and once under the new system, because it was still September. I waited and re-upped mine on the 1st.

Some of the old monthly donors obviously have not re-upped, and this is a hope and plea for them to do that if they will, that is all, I think, Howlin.

Got any idea about who would be doing the double billing?

Sounds to me like anyone who didn't follow Joe's request to hold off the re-upping until after October 20th might have brought that on themselves. Just another good reason to post a thread in an abundance of caution.

I realize Texasforever alleged some vendetta against Bush Supporters engineered by Badjoe with a view toward leaking personal information to the "anti-TIPS" agents.

While that was without a doubt the most absurd Conspiracy Theory I've ever seen floated on this forum in the over 4 years I've been around, perhaps you're seeking to poke folks with that particular Fine Point?

As of yesterday, the monthlies were handled expressly and exclusively by the site. I think it behooves Joe to remind folks at this juncture that he's no longer the go-to guy in this regard. Any messed up payments as of yesterday are not his problem.

And, Terilyn, while I too remember Jim's telling Badjoe to "just destroy the records", I'm certain that upon reflection he realized that was an ill-considered comment. The destruction of such records would not only reflect poorly on this site's and Badjoe's ability to conduct business in a professional fashion, it would leave a cloud of suspicion where their orderly and meticulous records should be for future reference at least a few years hence.

I'm not an accountant or businessman but I'm certain there are several around who could vouch for the fact that those to whom the records have been entrusted all this time still are responsible for the integrity of the books barring some express transfer of legal liability for same.

I think it the height of irresponsibility for folks who have nothing to do with the business and bookkeeping of the site to be clogging up this simple and straightforward thread with the usual Soap Opera "long-shot" intrigue.

Not to put too fine a point on it but this isn't a public corporation, the books are none of your business and Badjoe's upfront criticisms of the site and of Jim are not exactly the actions of a petty cretin who would stoop to breaching confidences, sussing out or passing around folks' personal information in some effort to damage the site for which he's worked so hard for so long.

Off topic - but thought some might find this interesting and worth a chuckle.

Paik Jin-hyun, professor of international relations at Seoul National University, said the North was using nuclear weapons to "blackmail" the US into supporting its crumbling economy.

"North Korea seems to misunderstand the nature of the Bush administration," Mr Paik said. "What may have worked with [President Bill] Clinton will not work with [President George W.] Bush. Trying to use nuclear weapons to blackmail this US government. .. is the worst possible tactic."

Financial Times-10/22/02-A. Ward

At least some in N. Korea understand what no democrat understands in the U.S.