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To: NittanyLion; Common Tator
I saw that press conference myself. And he did NOT say that ALL people driving white vans were handcuffed and taken away.

And I'd bet money that if they did nothing, you'd be the first one here, carping about the police not doing their job. Face it, there is nothing they can do that will satisfy you.

From a smarter Freeper than I could ever hope to be:

To: Freeper 007

The forth amendment bans unreasonable search and seizure.

With 12 people shot and more likely to be shot, stopping every vehicle in the area for search and or seizure is not unreasonable.

The 4th amendment does not bar searching every possible suspect in a crime, it bars searches of people who could not be suspects. Unless you can show that you could not be a suspect in these crimes, the cops would be derelict if they did not search everyone until they catch the killer.

Serial killers make searches of all people who could be the killer reasonable and idiots who can't read what the words on the constitution say look like the stupid fools they are.

4 posted on 10/20/02 12:01 AM Eastern by Common Tator

66 posted on 10/20/2002 8:45:17 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
I saw that press conference myself. And he did NOT say that ALL people driving white vans were handcuffed and taken away.

I didn't say that he did. He said this man was handcuffed and detained because his vehicle fit a particular description. Better go back and read my initial post more carefully.

And I'd bet money that if they did nothing, you'd be the first one here, carping about the police not doing their job. Face it, there is nothing they can do that will satisfy you.

Nice logical fallacy. "I label you as unappeasable, therefore you are, therefore your argument carries no weight."

Better brush up on your debate skills.

73 posted on 10/20/2002 8:48:33 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Howlin
For the discussion, I want to add a piece of advise from a relative who is a San Antonio police officer.

He says that policemen must anticipate that a person they just pulled over might attempt to use lethal force on them. They are especially cautious when working alone. So, if pulled over for any reason at night, the driver ought to turn on the inside lights of his car, put both hands on the steering wheel - and never, ever 'smart mouth' the cop.

83 posted on 10/20/2002 8:55:13 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Howlin
stopping every vehicle in the area for search and or seizure is not unreasonable.
     "In the area" is key imho. How does the following scenario grab you:  police find a gun in the car of one of these vehicles searched (not a white van). It turns out to be the perp/s. American/s, unaffiliated with a terrorist group.  But their case is tossed because the evidence is a result of of improper search and seizure on the part of the police.  Possible?  I'm curious and would like to feel more confident in the LE efforts that I've seen so far.
98 posted on 10/20/2002 9:07:02 AM PDT by GirlShortstop
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