Posted on 10/20/2002 7:48:19 AM PDT by SamAdams76
I was interjecting levity and I sincerely apologise if I offended you with my attempt. I remain curious as to what LE tactics you think are appropriate in this situation.
And what about the safety of innocent civilians? "Accidental" shootings happen all the time when cops have their guns drawn, and they NEVER face prison time for killing innocent unarmed civilians.
Pardon the sarcasm, but there have not been many indications that LE wants to work proactively with citizens. The door swings both ways. For example, the only mention of assurances of witness protection came in response (Moose) to a question from a reporter.
If this has an Islamic connection, or even a remote possibility of an Islamic connection, LE should be oozing assurances of witness secrecy/protection to the public, since investigations since 9/11 have proven how difficult it is to gain cooperation from Muslim groups since even the non-sympathizers among Muslims in this country live in well-founded fear of ostracism or retaliation.
The well-publicized arrest of a false witness the other day certainly couldn't have reassured anyone fearful of coming forward, either.
The cops require EVIDENCE to stop and detain.
Chances are better than even the sniper is not actually in the white van. Therefore, your very words (posted right here) apply to any and all traffic stops. If white van drivers are made to lie handcuffed on the ground, then ALL OTHER drivers should as well.
They have, and he will be very rich, very soon.
How do the people in the pictures look seedy? the first person is down on the ground with his face facing the ground and the second person in the second picture is facing backwards
Good point. Frankly I would be more concerned for my safety approaching a vehicle on a dark road alone than in a massive roadblock such as that which occurred last night on I-95. As a poster said earlier, this roadblock is just window dressing. The chances of nabbing the snipers in this manner is slim. You think the snipers are going to patiently sit in a roadblock for hours on end if they have anything incriminating on them?
I just saw your latest...while I'm still in the terror camp, the one arguement that is most persuasive against it is that the perp(s) seem to have a great knowledge of the "local" area(s). Something a long-time resident would have -- they know access roads, have an excellent knowledge of escape routes. That argues for someone who's intimate with the area -- even tiny, isolated towns like Ashland. They're obviously not using the Interstate (at least for more than a minute or two immediately after the shooting).
Now a lot of that could be explained in the terrorist camp as well: GPS, a deep-plant who's been here for some years planning this action, etc. But still, this person(s) has a remarkable knowledge of the area.
Wrong, they require a probable cause to suspect.
So would I. These drivers were probably refusing.
That's what I'm trying to find out. I posted this thread in the first place to find that out. Maybe there was a good reason for these two individuals to be treated in the manner that they were. But so far, those reasons have not been identified. Furthermore, the media is reporting that there were no arrests last night. So I am only led to believe that these citizens were yanked out of their vans at gunpoint, shoved to the ground and handcuffed all on account of the fact that they happened to be driving a white van.
This is what has me upset about the whole thing. If there were reasons for those people being treated the way they were, such as an outstanding warrant or if a scoped rifle was found concealed in the van, I would understand. But that does not appear to be the case here.
Seem like all the cops ever do is take "precautions" to protect themselves.
no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
It has to be done like this EACH and every time, in EACH and EVERY instance!
Might I suggest you ask for a new screen name?
What would you do to catch the sniper?
And please stick, to the case at hand, and not opine about immigration, second amendment rights, muslims, etc.
I am truly curious as to what your solution would be, particularly how you would catch the sniper without violating the rights. Thank you in advance for your replies.
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