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Ashland Shooting: Sunday Updates
Various ^ | 10-20-02 | GRRRRR

Posted on 10/20/2002 4:13:26 AM PDT by GRRRRR

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To: texasbluebell
Well, there's nothing out there that I can find on this tarot card being written in German.

Both the Washington Post and Channel 9 reported this story but called the Police to discuss it with them before they published. The police did not return the call, but made the statement, Maybe the public wants the WP to solve this crime and let us do other police work...

The comments made by some talking heads were to the effect that a legal sized sheet of paper had instructions to the police and asked the police not to make the tarot card public. I have not heard the German part officially either, BTW.

221 posted on 10/20/2002 11:01:05 AM PDT by OReilly
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To: tomkat
Thanks for the kind words.
222 posted on 10/20/2002 11:07:22 AM PDT by Bacons Rebellion
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To: fight_truth_decay
You didnt fear it as you were kept in the dark..was there before and "has happened" to our soldiers(those are Americans too ya know)..just we chose to say was on someone elses land in some way off distant place..It has been there ! (Clinton)governments had a "chicken in every pot" and a new car in your garage, kissed your baby and a 401k..all narrowed your vision.Now you are shocked? Children are beaten and murdered in their homes by their parents..molested by family friends and strangers..gang bangers did drive byes in every city..murderers and rapists roamed the streets? But when it is a Foreign terrorist you have fear?...Was always fear felt by many out there, but they continued with their lives..this is just another kind of fear..with the same senario of.."being in the wrong place at the wrong time" The world didnt turn into a Sink Hole overnight. Terrorism is terrorism..murder is murder..death is death..felt by all human beings around the world not just America and that is the part of Life that sucks! Just my opinion.

Im sorry, but I totally disagree with your opinion. I am an older person, and I also knew my grandparents very well. I can tell you that we had ABSOLUTELY no fear of terrorism from the middle east because we did not meddle in their affairs!

Perhaps you are a new immigrant to this country and you do not understand, or perhaps you have no knowlege of American day-to-day living, our life styles, etc. prior to the middle 1900's. It was well into the 20th century that we did not meddle in their affairs, and it was well into the 20th century before we experienced any arab terrorism, since they had no motives for harming us, nor for revenge of their family members dying in American bombing raids.

Not only did my ancestors in America have no fears of terrorism from arabs, but for the most part, life was, in general, pretty boring on our old homesteads.

224 posted on 10/20/2002 11:11:45 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: waterstraat
"The fact of the matter is, that America did not experience acts of terrorism from the middle east, until we started medling in their internal affairs. Thus, my grand parents had no fear of arab terrorism."

I guess a lot may depend on where one's grandparents lived. My grandparents, who lived in Czechoslovakia under, in turn, the boot of the Nazis and the Russians, had a profound distrust of muslims. In that part of the world, folk music is very illustrative. There are many folk songs that reflect the cruelty of the muslims and the hardships imposed by the Ottoman Empire. If you look past the relatively recent history of America and consider the history of Europe, I think you'll find plenty of reasons for concern regarding muslim intentions. If you don't like European history, take a look at forced conversions in Sudan. All these large and small nations couldn't possibly have brought this upon themselves through meddling.

225 posted on 10/20/2002 11:15:39 AM PDT by Think free or die
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To: eno_

A key thing to remember about the tarot card is that the message was in German. This was reported in the Wash Post and several other mainstream media outlets.

"Lieber Polizist, Ich bin Allah"


What and where is the source for this please ?


226 posted on 10/20/2002 11:16:19 AM PDT by pyx
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To: alisasny; texasbluebell
I did a google news search for "tarot german sniper." You will find multiple mainstram news reports.
227 posted on 10/20/2002 11:18:26 AM PDT by eno_
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To: texasbluebell
Thanks for the link - I read that one (I'm registered already); I still can't find anything anywhere that said the card was written in German.

I think the freedper that said it was must have been mistaken...
228 posted on 10/20/2002 11:19:47 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: texasbluebell
..tarot card...

The 'I am God' statement may have been added as a caption for the image on the card, and is not a direct reference to the shooter himself.

229 posted on 10/20/2002 11:20:02 AM PDT by thatdewd
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To: pyx; Nix 2
I think it was Nix 2 who reported on a thread here that the message on the back of the tarot card (presumably the one that told the cops not to reveal the message) was in German. He didn't give a source. Maybe he knows of one.

By the way, if you're addressing a policeman in a servile manner in German, I think the way you would say "Dear Policeman" is "Herr Wachtmeister," or "lieber Herr Wachtmeister".

Somebody else posted on one of the threads that the National Enquirer is reporting that the sniper has left several messages for the police, at several shooting scenes.

230 posted on 10/20/2002 11:20:09 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: AntiDemocrat
I don't know..the possible first victim (liquor store in September) looks ME and one of the other victims was ME (cab driver?). I'm not discounting the terrorist theory..but I believe there have been other races besides white and black.
232 posted on 10/20/2002 11:21:16 AM PDT by shattered
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To: pyx
N.b, that German phrase is my inference, and I stated the original has not been, AFAIK, released. The reason I tried out how it sounds in German is that, in English, it sounds wierd. That is normal way you would address a policemen in written German. In English it sounds artificually polite.
233 posted on 10/20/2002 11:21:33 AM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_
I did the same google - found nothing that said the sniper wrote on the card in German. SOme references to Columbine...

Please, do you have a specific excerpt or link?
234 posted on 10/20/2002 11:22:46 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: shattered
The cab driver's name sounds Hindu to me.
235 posted on 10/20/2002 11:23:07 AM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_
Are you sure you are not mistaking references to the yearbook entry with the writing on the card?

Please copy any link and post here...
236 posted on 10/20/2002 11:24:53 AM PDT by SarahW
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To: shattered
Cab driver was a dark-skinned (presumably Hindu) Indian from Bombay. I suspect the shooter mistakenly took him to be an African-American (the cops and the media wrongly identified him as black that day.) As we know from his later shootings, he has a diversity quota to meet. And I suspect the sniper shot the Haitian Pascal Charlot on the evening of the day he killed the cab driver and the other three that morning, because he had learned that the cab driver was not a black American.

I have not seen the ethnicity of the victim of the Sept. 14 shooting identified. Can somebody please post his name? I know it's been reported.

237 posted on 10/20/2002 11:25:23 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: waterstraat
It was well into the 20th century that we did not meddle in their affairs, and it was well into the 20th century before we experienced any arab terrorism,
since they had no motives for harming us, nor for revenge of their family members dying in American bombing raids.

nonsense.

whitey's been 'meddling' there since at least the turn of the century,
but only in the last forty years have the goathumpers had the resources,
via their extorting us with the output of the very wells that whitey drilled,
to attempt the export of their bullshit 'religious' zealotry ...

238 posted on 10/20/2002 11:25:33 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: eno_
I did a google news search for "tarot german sniper." You will find multiple mainstram news reports.

I didn't see any, just references to that being done at Columbine.
239 posted on 10/20/2002 11:25:42 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: GRRRRR
Ashland might have expanded the envelope but in one respect it's similar: very close to highway routes (I95 and US1) but also lots of back roads. There is still a passenger train connection there too.

From http://www.pbs.org/storewars/towns1.html, some information about Ashland VA, the home of Randolph-Macon College and Speed & Briscoe Truck Stop. It's trucker country; the area around Ashland is full of truck stops. At one time, Jarrells' up by Kings Dominion was the largest truck stop in the world and WRVA AM-1140 broadcast an all-night show from there. US1 also parallels I-95 in the north-south direction, a lot of the little mom-and-pop motels are foreign owned (possible safe houses?) and there are lots of back roads going all over the place. Lots of woods too. I would think someone who knew the area could pretty much go anywhere he wanted, especially with some local support where they could bed down until things blew over.

Early Ashland

Ashland has a rich history that gives it a sense of place unlike any other. Originally known as "Slash Cottage" for its wetlands (slash is an antiquated term for swamp), Ashland was a 19th century mineral springs resort and racecourse. Developed by the Richmond Fredericksburg and Potomac (RF&P) Railroad Company in the mid-1800s as a summer retreat, the town became the site of a Confederate cavalry training camp at the beginning of the Civil War. Later in the war, Ashland overflowed with refugees fleeing the fighting in Northern Virginia. Close to bankruptcy by the war's end, the town and the resort were saved when Randolph-Macon College decided to relocate the school from Boydton, Virginia to Ashland to attract potential students with its accessibility by train. By the turn of the century, the town was so successful that an electric streetcar line was built from Richmond to Ashland, which, along with the RF&P's Accomodation Train, helped the town develop further as a classic "streetcar suburb."

Ashland's downtown area is centered around the railroad track, where a turn-of-the-century business district still bustles. Most of the coveted Victorian residences along the railroad were built as summer homes for people from Richmond, located15 miles south. Today, the downtown is considered a national historic district.

Ashland Today

As Ashland changes with the times, it also offers a cross-section of suburban America. In the 2000 presidential election, Ashlanders divided their votes between Republican George W. Bush and Democrat Al Gore. The town is evenly split between Republicans and Democrats, despite the fact that surrounding areas are decidedly Republican. Since 1980, the population has increased by 40 percent to 7,200 in 2000. The ethnic diversity of Ashland is on the rise. In the past decade, nearly 500 African Americans have been annexed into town. Ashland is also a place that varies socioeconomically, as evidenced by the presence of housing of all income levels, including historical homes, bungalows, mobile homes and multi-family developments.

Ashland's proximity to Interstate 95 has increased both traffic and population, and the downtown district no longer is the town's main source of goods and services. Instead, most Ashlanders have turned to shopping centers and malls on the outskirts of town. Townspeople have fought to keep Ashland a habitable and accessible place in the midst of inevitable development. A little less than half of Ashland's 4.02 square miles is developed, primarily in single family residences, and over 12 per cent of the land is devoted to community and non-profit institutions, such as schools, churches, and the college - an unusually large amount of tax-exempt land for a small town. Ashland is pedestrian-oriented, a place where people can easily travel by foot and by bicycle.

Changing with the Times

Ashland continues to struggle to adapt to the changes that development brings. When a commercial area between Route One and the Interstate developed, it was referred to as the "messy mile," an eyesore that didn't mesh with the quaint, historic town. To integrate the area more into the town, curbs and a gutter, as well as trees and landscaping were added, transforming just another turn-off on the Interstate to part of the town. The Ashland town council has always been known to fight to preserve the town's character. When the federal government wanted to move the post office to a new building to the edge of town, residents protested loudly that they like their post office in the historic downtown area, where downtown businesses, older people and college students can easily walk to it. The postal service relented, and Ashland's post office remains downtown today. The town council also got Amtrak to renew passenger service directly from Ashland. It is the only town in American where you can board the train on Main Street and travel all the way up the East Coast. "Without ignoring what was going on in the world and nation around her...Ashland's virtue has been in refusing to become impersonal," writes town historian Rosie Shalf. But facing considerable growth pressure from Richmond as a result of the approximately 100,000 people a day that pass by on the highway, what remains to be seen is whether Ashland will be able to fight sprawl in the future and retain the intimacy and character of a small town.

240 posted on 10/20/2002 11:30:43 AM PDT by pttttt
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