[aristeides]

By the way, may I suggest that you read the chapter on the Liberty in James Bamford's recent book on the NSA, Body of Secrets. He's clearly relying on highly placed former NSA and U.S. military sources, and I don't think anybody can read that chapter and still think that the attack on the Liberty was just an accident.

[rmvh]

You have been debating herein largely with logic and fact. As you must know, many of the "merry little band" responding have their primary allegience offshore.... supporting this allegience with or without truth.

It must be frustrating........Why do you bother?

[rmlew]

It would be helpful if Bamford, a leftist, could get his dates straight. He believes that Israel attacked the Liberty to hide evidence of a war crime against Egyptian soldiers. The problem is that the attack occured 2 days AFTER the Liberty was attacked and that there is no forensic evidence backing up the claims of a few Egyptian sodiers.
It would be nice if Bamford were to look at why the CIA ordered the Liberty into a war zone in contravention to Naval orders.

[TopQuark]

rmvh: You have been debating herein largely with logic and fact. As you must know, many of the "merry little band" responding have their primary allegience offshore....

Now, Aristeides, do you see who really loves to discuss Liberty.

rmvh here claims that American Jews are not loyal to America. If Liberty is really all that bothers you, you should be appalled at such a smear on your fellow citizens. Are you? If so, then speak up. If not, then allow us to conclude that Liberty is a part of a bigger agenda.