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Bill to Repeal the Second Amendment
Wired Strategies ^ | 10/19/02 | Aravosis

Posted on 10/19/2002 9:01:53 AM PDT by pabianice

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Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 12:26:27 -0400

Subject: poll to repeal 2A

http://uspolitics.about.com/library/weekly/aa101502a.htm

Vote now. Vote often.

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Some background on the author of the bill to reoeal the 2nd Amendment:

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John Aravosis is founder of Wired Strategies and a dedicated Marxist gun-grabber. He has served as the "online organizer" at the Children's Defense Fund (the lunatic-Left group that aggitates for laws to allow children as young as 10 to divirce their parents and live the Marxist lifestyle). At CDF, John Aravosis devised and implemented the online strategy for the successful CHILD Act campaign, gaining the passage of a new $24 billion federal program to assist uninsured children. He was also responsible for creating and managing one of the nation's earliest, largest and most effective child advocacy email/fax networks -- providing policy information and action steps to over 5,000 child advocacy organizations, media representatives, government agencies and concerned citizens from Tennessee to Tanzania. The success of CDF's online network is discussed in the book NetActivism, by O'Reilly & Associates. In addition, CDF's home page -- with Aravosis' assistance -- was recognized by YAHOO! as one of the Web's top sites.

His public commentary on Internet advocacy and online privacy issues includes talks and workshops at National Education Association, Georgetown University, American University, HandsNet, the Public Relations Society of America, InterAction, and Hogan & Hartson law firm. Aravosis is also co-author of the online advocacy chapters of two books about the Internet and non-profits, is the subject of a chapter in the new book The Net Effect: How Cyberadvocacy is Changing the Political Landscape, and has been published in the Economist, the New Republic, the New York Daily News, CyberWire Dispatch, and Who Cares magazine.

In addition to his expertise in online strategy, Aravosis has significant political experience, having served five years as a legislative attorney for US Senator Ted Stevens, and assisting on the campaigns of Senators Ted Kennedy and Chuck Robb. He also has a long record of international experience, having worked for: the World Bank; the Lyonnaise des Eaux in Paris, France; the US Embassy in Buenos Aires, Argentina; the Italian Embassy in Washington, DC; and former national security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski. In addition to English, Aravosis speaks Spanish, French, Italian and Greek. Wired Strategies' current and past clients include the US Department of State, the US Department of Health and Human Services, the United States Information Agency, Priceline.com, MicroStrategy, Ogilvy Public Relations Worldwide, the Widmeyer-Baker Group, the Georgetown University Law Center, the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, America's Promise, the National Education Association, the American Civil Liberties Union, and AFSCME.

John Aravosis has a Juris Doctor and Master's in Foreign Service (1989) from Georgetown University, where he studied under former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.

Contact information:

info@wiredstrategies.com

Wired Strategies

Washington, DC - USA

202/328-5707 (phone)

202/328-5708 (fax)

1 posted on 10/19/2002 9:01:53 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
This guy is a real POS!


2 posted on 10/19/2002 9:13:59 AM PDT by Militiaman7
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and without guns people would do what the palis do. This is a stupid idea to think taking away guns will stop murderers.
3 posted on 10/19/2002 9:21:13 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: pabianice
Like when I see a "PETA" article on FR, I am reminded to slaughter a lamb for the barbie. So when I see a gun grabber article on FR I am reminded to buy more ammo.

Thanks for the post.

5.56mm

4 posted on 10/19/2002 9:29:35 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: SouthernFreebird; Militiaman7
It's like waht the words to the song say: "Stockpile weapons while you can."
5 posted on 10/19/2002 9:30:03 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: Militiaman7
MEGA DITTOS TO THAT!As Mr.Heston so eloquently put it"They Can Have My Guns When They Pry Them From My Cold,Dead Fingers"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6 posted on 10/19/2002 9:31:19 AM PDT by bandleader
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To: pabianice
Johnny boy: You will repeal the Second Amendment only when I've fired my last round on the last battlefield of the last war, as I draw my last breath and the gun slips from my hands.

Molon labe, girlie boy. Have your goons fill out their toe tags. Save the coroner some work.

7 posted on 10/19/2002 9:31:32 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: pabianice
"At the same time the Administration's war on terror has been restricting constitutional rights across the board, John Ashcroft's Justice Department has actually been increasing the rights of gun owners."

I think this quote says it all. This guy seems to think that our rights are granted to us by the government, the exact antithesis of the philosophical principle that underlies our entire Constitution. There are no "constitutional rights," only inherent rights mentioned in the Constitution for the purpose of forbidding the government from infringing on them.

8 posted on 10/19/2002 9:37:09 AM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: pabianice
I suppose it would freak this guy out if we started chanting this:

This is my rifle!
There are many like it but this one is mine...
(.wav sound file)

9 posted on 10/19/2002 9:37:28 AM PDT by HairOfTheDog
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To: pabianice
At the same time the Administration's war on terror has been restricting constitutional rights across the board, John Ashcroft's Justice Department has actually been increasing the rights of gun owners

This statement alone shows he is an idiot. Ashcroft has not been increasing the rights of gun owners - they have always had the rights. He is doing the Constitutional thing and removing the illegal barriers that have prevented people from exercising their pre-existing rights.

10 posted on 10/19/2002 9:46:06 AM PDT by ikka
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To: IronJack


11 posted on 10/19/2002 9:52:39 AM PDT by ALS
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To: pabianice
Shouting ‘Gun Control’ in a dangerous world is the moral equivalent of shouting ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater.

Neither are free speech issues, both are criminal acts.

The mere advocacy of gun control should earn those who do it a minimum of 20 years in the penitentiary, at hard labor.

The effective imposition of gun control should earn those who do it death on the gallows.

12 posted on 10/19/2002 10:01:18 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: pabianice
So I wrote a response to this idiot, and this is what I got in return. What a liar!

Aravosis: What is it with you people? Repeal the Second Amendment? I mean, I'm glad you're reading the article, but it's like mass hypnosis or something. The article never even suggests repealing it.

At 08:31 PM 10/17/2002 -0700, you wrote:

Ward Dorrity: About your contention that it's time to repeal the Second Amendment to the Constitution. I will not bother you with things like reason, facts, history, philosophy or moral arguments. It has been my experience that folks like yourself lack the price of admission to any sort of reasonable discussion regarding an individuals right to self defense. Yeah, I know, it s a first-principles sort of argument that liberal gun-grabbers always lose. I haven't got the time or the patience to try and sort my way through the Disneyland of logical fallacies and name calling to which leftists, liberals and other soft-core fascists invariably resort.

So let me lay it out for you in terms that you cannot fail to understand. The repeal of the Second Amendment will be the proximate, but not the only cause of the next American Civil War. Remember the phrase, "after a long train of abuses?" You know - from that pesky old document the Founding Fathers wrote? Repeal of the Second Amendment will be the last car in that train for many of us.

But do us all a favor, will you, John? That is, if you have the stones to live your convictions. Please be one of the first to show up at my door to demand that my family and I hand over our weapons. That's when we'll all understand what lies at the end of every statist argument - the barrel of a gun. As a man of reason and good will, I'll never start a fight. But I've got the training, the means, the motivation and scariest of all - to folks like you, anyway - the moral certainty to finish one.

Ward Dorrity
September 11, 2001
Never forgive. Never forget.

13 posted on 10/19/2002 10:12:47 AM PDT by Noumenon
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To: Noumenon
Umm, actually this is the only thing he says about repealing the Second Amendment:

I'm not saying that we need to ban all guns or repeal the entire Second Amendment, but using the defense of the Second Amendment as an excuse to not search available gun databases for terrorists?

The title is wrong. So is the author, but he didn't call for repeal anywhere in this article.

14 posted on 10/19/2002 11:03:09 AM PDT by m1911
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To: Doug Loss
There are no "constitutional rights," only inherent rights mentioned in the Constitution for the purpose of forbidding the government from infringing on them.

Even if the 2nd amendment were repealed tomorrow, I and every other American would still have the Right to keep and bear arms as we see fit.

15 posted on 10/19/2002 11:23:32 AM PDT by Mulder
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16 posted on 10/19/2002 11:24:11 AM PDT by Mulder
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To: DWSUWF
Shouting ‘Gun Control’ in a dangerous world is the moral equivalent of shouting ‘Fire’ in a crowded theater. Neither are free speech issues, both are criminal acts.

Well stated. The advocacy of gun control is nothing less than an act of sedition against the US Constitution, and should be dealt with as such.

17 posted on 10/19/2002 11:29:48 AM PDT by Mulder
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To: Mulder
"...The advocacy of gun control is nothing less than an act of sedition against the US Constitution, and should be dealt with as such..."

I'm a cock-eyed optimist enough to believe that we may yet see a day when this will come to pass.

I'll volunteer for anything except the burial detail. I'm too boogered up with arthritis to do that.

And traitors don't need individual graves anyway. A dozer out at the landfill will do just fine for them.

18 posted on 10/19/2002 11:36:55 AM PDT by DWSUWF
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To: Militiaman7
Eliminating all the Antis, would solve the problem. And they're unarmed....

That's what a civil war would be, I suppose.

19 posted on 10/19/2002 11:37:08 AM PDT by DAnconia55
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To: DAnconia55
Eliminating all the Antis, would solve the problem. And they're unarmed....

But they would undoubtedly bring in foreign troops, who would be armed.

A few Americans would see such an event as a reason to get involved in the political process by writing their local newspapers, voting, and putting bumper stickers on their cars.

Most Americans, however, would see a target rich environment.

20 posted on 10/19/2002 11:42:46 AM PDT by Mulder
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