[Thumper1960]

"What "lies"? You are promoting the "truth" that we "really won" in Vietnam?
Sheesh, give it a rest.

"Militarily", pumpkin. Read the words and not the white background.

[Illbay]

What does "militarily" matter? The U.S. military was thousands of times more powerful than that of the North Vietnamese. If the U.S. hadn't had military victories, it would have been astonishing.

Read again what I said: "The military doesn't exist as an end in itself but as a means to an end."

Saying that we killed a bunch of enemy is pointless. We LOST, because the military objective is irrelevant without the political. The military EXISTS to serve the political ends of the nation. If those ends are frustrated, you LOSE, no matter how many tons of ordnance you manage to dump on the heads of the bad guys.