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To: Exton1
You don’t lose a game that is rigged. You are cheated out of victory, and that is what happened in VN.

No, because "they"--the ones that cheated--were put there by "us." Therefore, in a democratic society such as ours, you can't blame leaders without putting the blame on the citizens that put them in their position of leadership. If you doubt that, remind yourself how angry you get that your idiotic fellow-citizens elected Bill Clinton TWICE to the Presidency.

The soldiers realize that is was a rigged game. And are upset that they were blamed for doing there best and then being accused of being losers.

If the soldiers are professionals--not to mention "real men"--they will simply accept that. That isn't to say that those who spat on our returning soldiers were justified; they weren't. But they were a part of the problem as well.

The real losers were the American and the VIETNAMESE people.

I totally agree. In fact, I would say the Vietnamese ultimately might come out better in the end because they will undoubtedly throw out the Commies when they are able, and never allow them to have power again. Meanwhile, we will be dealing with the dregs of our political class, the Clintons, the Gores, the Daschles, the Gephardts, et al, for a long, long time to come.

Those people were made "legitimate" by their being "right" about Vietnam, and we have been suffering ever since.

126 posted on 10/20/2002 5:28:46 PM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
If the soldiers are professionals

They weren't. By and large they were drafted. And they were the best. The Best this country ever produced.

They won and won and won, until they were brought home completely by 73. At first tours were a year and a half, then a year. If your name was Al Gore your tour was six months, then you rotated out.

By 1975, Congress had been taken over by newly radicalized leftist weenies who voted to pull the rug out from under the fragile government in the South and to literally waste the sacrifice of the three million Americans who served in Vietnam from 1961 to 1973, including 55,000 dead.

The jackass president who allowed this to happen, Gerald Fraud, was summarily fired by the American electorate for that atrocity, rather than for his quid pro quo pardon of Nixon as leftwing media loves to spin it.

The facts are plain. Our military was never defeated in battle and our troops had been withdrawn two years prior to the communist invasion of the south.

We didn't lose the war, You did, And you continue to lose it every time you and your ill(k) aver and affirm that we did.

LOSER

129 posted on 10/21/2002 1:57:48 AM PDT by navigator
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