[Illbay]

If you insist on talking of the war as if it were a football game, then consider this: I have seen plenty of games where one team DOMINATED in all the statistics. They had more yards passing. More first downs. More yards rushing. Greater time of possession.

Except for one thing: They lost, because they had fewer points on the scoreboard than their "inferior" opponent.

So it was with Vietnam: The time ran out on the game clock, and the other team, the INFERIOR team, the team we beat six ways from Sunday in all these arcane statistical areas, had more points on the scoreboard.

WE GOT BEAT, 'CAUSE THEY HAD SCOREBOARD!

[leadpenny]

Germany lost a war. A couple of 'em in the last century in fact. Japan lost a war. Italy lost a war. LBJ lost a war. I didn't lose a war. To consider myself as having lost the war in Vietnam would mean I didn't have a country to come back to, and, I'd be paying taxes to some office in Hanoi.

Seems to me that your propaganda needs to be peddled on some site where one's guilt needs to be assuaged. Say, maybe, a site that William Jefferson Blythe Clinton frequents.

[Exton1]

You don’t lose a game that is rigged. You are cheated out of victory, and that is what happened in VN. The soldiers realize that is was a rigged game. And are upset that they were blamed for doing there best and then being accused of being losers. The real losers were the American and the VIETNAMESE people.