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To: Alamo-Girl
would allow students to "investigate and critically analyze" Darwin's theory of evolution.

How could anyone oppose critical analysis? The problem, as I see it, is the tools these students would have to 'critically analyze' anything. Since these selfsame students are probably not taught the skills of 'critical thinking' they aren't capable of making any such analysis. This then just opens the door to 'its my opinion against yours' which is futile, as has been so well demonstrated here with supposed adults, let alone children.

A few other things caught my eye.

What they don't accept is macroevolution, or the transition from one species to the next - as in ape to man.

Typical mis-characterization of the theory.

Scientists in the "intelligent design" community don't advocate any particular religion, but they do believe that some higher intelligence - though not necessarily the God of the Bible - created life in all its forms.

I like this one. This leaves the door open for anything. Why I believe that little green men on Saturn took pieces of the Rings there and shot them to earth and each piece of the ring that landed here became a new species, (the rings are really made up of DNA, don't ya know). They are more intelligent than we are and that's why we have UFOs, they are checking up on their experiment!

On the other hand.

While the public may be clamoring for open-mindedness about evolution, scientists argue that public opinion has no place in science education.

This statement bothers me, as does,

"Science is not democracy," said professor Lawrence Lerner

These are dangerous viewpoints. If you don't have public review of science education then what happens when some group of scientists 'prove' that Jews are genetically inferior? Would there be any Jews left by the time anybody proves that they were mistaken?

And finally,

"There's an objective reality about science. If the Discovery Institute is really interested in convincing scientists that their reality is false, then they would be attending scientific meetings rather than selling their ideas in the marketplace of political ideas."

This gets back to the 'critical thinking' aspect of this debate. What is 'critical thinking' and has it been taught to these children as a prerequisite of the discussion? The idea here is that children would be able to 'conclude' something from 'critically analyzing' the evidence. This presupposes that children are taught logic in order to reach rational conclusions. This is the clearly not the case with a vast majority of adults, (as the comment on astrology demonstrates - Nearly every newspaper and magazine in this nation has an astrology page, despite the fact it is utterly irrational) so how could it be true for children?

So the cart is before the horse here. Children should be taught critical thinking skills before they are given subjects to critically analyze.

What this really brings into question is whether we should actually have public education sponsored by the government. Why should I pay taxes to educate the general populace when they aren't being educated, but taught opinions?

13 posted on 10/19/2002 11:20:59 AM PDT by LogicWings
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To: LogicWings
What this really brings into question is whether we should actually have public education sponsored by the government. Why should I pay taxes to educate the general populace when they aren't being educated, but taught opinions?

Exactly the point. And the unions are an incredible source of fleeced money, coerced manpower, and miscast votes for the liberal democrats and they will oppose any possible competition with the last ounce of their socialist breath. Kill it, kill it now!

15 posted on 10/19/2002 12:10:07 PM PDT by balrog666
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To: LogicWings
Thank you for your reply!

It seems to me that teaching kids how to critically analyze anything ought to be part of the fundamentals of a public education. Otherwise, the schools are fostering the sheep mentality.

I agree with your observation: If you don't have public review of science education then what happens when some group of scientists 'prove' that Jews are genetically inferior?

With social "sciences" being elevated (wrongfully IMHO) - and political correctness run awry - and a sheep mentality, the scenario you gave sends chills up my spine.

I also agree that education should not be publically funded unless it meets a very high standard and all forms of ideology are left at the door. I include materialism and most forms of political correctness in the ideology bucket.

25 posted on 10/19/2002 9:26:48 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: LogicWings
Since these selfsame students are probably not taught the skills of 'critical thinking' they aren't capable of making any such analysis.

That there is too not enough critical analysis taught in schools is certain. However, to continue the practice by giving evolution a pass will not solve that problem. Perhaps this decision will lead to more critical analysis in the rest of education so I do not see how this decision can in any way be harmful.

31 posted on 10/19/2002 9:51:50 PM PDT by gore3000
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