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To: Gerfang
given the choice I generally support the evolutionary model as scientists’ best interpretation of the physical evidence.

You do not seem to be addressing my statement at all, and are certainly not refuting it in any way. As I said, evolution cannot be science:

A bald assertion which you cannot back up. That science, any kind of science is consistent with evolution is ludicrous. Science is about finding repeatable, measurable order in the Universe. Evolution denies order by postulating randomness as the source of it. So evolution cannot be science and each discovery which finds order and repeatability in nature disproves it.

Do you have a refutation for the above or are just choosing to ignore it?

I think this crevo stuff is a tempest in a teapot. Most people aren’t really interested in the material.

There is a lot of importance to it even if people do not realize it. Evolution is the basis of the scientific materialism which has been the source of so much death and destruction. It is also the source of the decline of morality and conservative values. So it is very important the problem is that too many people are unaware of its importance.

112 posted on 10/21/2002 6:22:24 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: gore3000
You do not seem to be addressing my statement at all, and are certainly not refuting it in any way. As I said, evolution cannot be science:

I have no need to address or refute anything you say. I don’t debate evolution on these boards because I don’t have the requisite background to add anything to the debate. I’m not a biologist. I am a consumer rather than producer of scientific information.

Do you have a refutation for the above or are just choosing to ignore it?

Just as I’m under no obligation to explain to a telemarketer why I don’t want their product, I’m under no obligation to express why I accept evolution to you. Let it suffice to say that I know when someone is trying to rip me off.

There is a lot of importance to it even if people do not realize it.

I doubt it.

Evolution is the basis of the scientific materialism which has been the source of so much death and destruction.

And things were just sooo much better before materialism.

It is also the source of the decline of morality and conservative values.

Decline? Could you tell me precisely when we were a more moral people than we are today? Use dates and statistics because I’m a bit slow. Perhaps you could start by showing me the murder rate in our nation over the past two hundred years. Then you might want to show me some crime rates. You’ll of course want to emphasize the divorce rates, but for extra credit why don’t you look at the adultery rates in our nation. Look at the number of abortions then look at the numbers of discarded and abandoned children. Get ready for some big surprises. I'll give you a hint: the past sucked.

So it is very important the problem is that too many people are unaware of its importance.

I think you vastly overestimate the effect of worldview on human behavior. But don’t despair, a lot of other people have made this same mistake.

158 posted on 10/23/2002 12:26:20 PM PDT by Gerfang
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