Posted on 10/18/2002 11:16:06 AM PDT by xsysmgr
If you have learned to think why is it that all you do is rant against opponents instead of showing them how they are wrong? Methinks your arrogance is totally without basis.
The Evols rely heavily on what "everybody knows", which is based upon the drumbeat of propaganda in our public schools for many decades, not upon truth. The lies are now being exposed and it is those who riducule here who will be shown to have been thoughtless fools, or worse, and in the not-too-distant future at that. "Teach the Controversy" is a winner and we will be seeing a whole lot more of it.
BB, you are always in my dreams! It's nice that we agree on something, like the above sentence. Of course, no one in the biology field would ever make such a statement, so you can relax. No point getting worked up over a position that no one has ever taken.
I guess you are saying, for only one example, that Richard Dawkins is not in the biology field.
Your silliness never ceases to amaze me.
Evolution isn't about the origins of life.
So why, balrog, was the premier pro-evolution web site named "TalkOrigins"?
I will quietly await your answer and if you throw more childish insults, I will call them out. Waiting patiently, balrog, for your answer . . .
Well, thanks, I guess. I just now typed in "www.talkorigins.org" and the web site came up, first try.
It is the evolutionists who refuse to discuss science, not the opponents. All I see on these threads is claims by evolutionists that evolution is science but nothing to back it up. I do see from opponents an attempt to show that evolution is not science, but such attempts are ignored and shouted down by evolutionists. If you guys want to talk science, let's do so, let us know:
See what I mean.
Good for you! Now what does the front page of the website say? Up at the top in big, bold white letters? The Talk.Origins Archive. You'll have to read to the second paragraph to find out why:
The newsgroup was (and still is) the "premier" pro-evolution discussion forum. The website came later to serve as a repository for old articles, FAQs, and discussion threads. NNTP was around wwwwaaaayyyy before websites became popular. I refer you to the third question on the Welcome page.
I read that as supporting what has been said from the start: Abiogenisis, while related to the theory of evolution, is an independent area of inquiry. Unless you are in a position to summarize a theory of evolution that also addresses the origin of life, I don't think you can substantiate your claim.
Yup, and this very post shows it. In Post#120 I challenged you and your fellow evos to stop the personal attacks and discuss science, so what do you do - you continue the personal attacks.
What the entire site says is that evolution and abiogenesis are incontrovertibly joined as a materialitic/atheistic attack on religion.
You are agreeing with me.
Please explain "...abiogenisis, while related to the theory of evolution..." How does it relate? And "Unless you are in a position..."? My claim?
Just plain nonsense. I make no claim. I asked the question: So why, balrog, was the premier pro-evolution web site named "TalkOrigins"? and it remains unanswered.
You are practicing sophistry, Condorman.
Abiogenisis deals with "How did life begin?" Evolution covers "What happened next?" A common creationist/ID fallacy is to claim that the theory of evolution is false because it cannot explain the origins of life. And no matter how many times it gets demolished, you people insist on propping it up again. In post 100 of this thread you make the claim, "Evolution purports to tell us how life began but without the crucial evidence." You must therefore be familiar with a theory of evolution with which I am not. To ensure that we are discussing the same topic, would you mind summarizing it for me?
I make no claim. I asked the question: So why, balrog, was the premier pro-evolution web site named "TalkOrigins"? and it remains unanswered.
Bull. See post 100. You most certainly DID make a claim. Regarding your question, however the TalkOrigins website is an archive for the talk.origins newsgroup. If you want a primer on UseNet newsgroups, go here. I'm not going to bore everyone by posting it inline.
The short answer is that you are asking your audience to assign meaning where none exists, then using that to imply something sinister. I expect that "origins" was simply a short-hand reference to Charles Darwin's The Origin of Species. I expect the conversation when something like this:
Guy #1: Dude, we need a newgroup to talk about evolution and stuff.
Guy #2: 'K. What do you want to call it?
Guy #1: How about talk.evolution?
Guy #2: It is going to be just about evolution?
Guy #1: Well, you know, evolution, Origin of Species, Descent of Man, creationism, stuff like that.
Guy #2: If you're not going to be that specific, call it talk.origins and be done with it. Wanna split a pizza?
Here's the full text of The Origin of Species. And here's what ol' Darwin himself had to say about the origin of life, in the last sentence of the last chapter:
There is grandeur in this view of life, with its several powers, having been originally breathed into a few forms or into one; and that, whilst this planet has gone cycling on according to the fixed law of gravity, from so simple a beginning endless forms most beautiful and most wonderful have been, and are being, evolved.In other words, he never discussed the subject of "abiogenisis" at all. Evolution is what happens after life begins. Attacking evolution because it doesn't deal with abiogenisis is like complaining about Windows XP because it doesn't do your laundry. True, it really doesn't do laundry, but that's just not a valid criticism.
You sidestep the hard question, then throw insults. Not a winning strategy, and childish, balrog.
Read it again, I did answer it. This time, think about what I said.
Winning? Strategy? Childish? Is this a game to you?
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