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How Reliable Is Ballistic Fingerprinting?
FoxNews.com ^ | 10/18/2002 | Steven Milloy

Posted on 10/18/2002 5:00:21 AM PDT by JackIV

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To: WorkingClassFilth
It would alter the mechanical profile of the barrel sufficiently to prevent anything close to a reliable projectile match.

Run a wad of steel wool into the chamber a few times and you have also dealt with the "problem" of spent casing matching with -- up to a point -- little or no impact on accuracy.

Then there's always the shotgun with rifled slugs for nearly ballistics-free wet work (at closer ranges, of course).

Gang, this crap is NOT about catching these murderers: It's about DISARMING us so the would-be PRIVATE criminals can have their unfettered way with this nation, something they are currently reluctant to do lest the ARMED natives become dangeroulsy restless.

21 posted on 10/18/2002 6:34:32 AM PDT by Dick Bachert
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To: Puppage; *bang_list
There has not been ONE crime solved, or a conviction, in which a firearm was used and "fingerprinting" was used. Yet, another "feel good" law that does NOTHING.

You're wrong, it does something. It provides both states with a databank of recent handgun purchasers, never to be misused, of course.

22 posted on 10/18/2002 6:45:31 AM PDT by SJackson
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Learn how to "unfingerprint" a gun in 20 minutes - with common gun tools!


23 posted on 10/18/2002 7:06:22 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: Redbob
Send your favorite Congresscritter a copy of "Unintended Consequences".
24 posted on 10/18/2002 7:23:08 AM PDT by wcbtinman
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To: JackIV
I found this study online yesterday (and now I can't).

Fox misses one point which is vital to the story.

The researchers did find that the more bullets that were fired from a weapon, the less reliable the program became. They found that as few as 7 firings could cause the program to miss the correct match.

They also pointed out that a national database would be so large that investigators would likely get a list of tens of thousands of potential matches. Given that guns change hand fairly regularly, you would be tasked with finding where each of those guns was currently.

The researcher referred to the results of a national database as "looking for a needle in a haystack".
25 posted on 10/18/2002 7:58:23 AM PDT by sharktrager
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To: SJackson
Of course not. Just like in California where everyone who owned an SKS rifle had to register them. Oh, yeah. Then they made them illegal & they knew who had them. If you didn't turn them in you immediately became a felon. Lovely. But, it WON'T happen here, will it?
26 posted on 10/18/2002 8:00:07 AM PDT by Puppage
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To: JackIV; nina0113; Puppage; WorkingClassFilth; South Dakota
Consider as a talking point: the James Earl Ray case.

A high profile case in the media (with all antigun media, you have short selective memories), with a nationally famous set of ballistics experts.

After 20 or more years of insisting that ballistics testing would exonerate him, Ray got his wish. The aforementioned experts back in 1997 fired 18 rounds from the 30.06 rifle believed to have been the murder weapon. The report came out July 1997. 12 bullets did not match the one removed from King, and according to most of the experts did not much match each other. The remaining 6 had some features matching the King bullet, not many but some.

So now what? Let him go? No, he died in jail from liver cancer.

The real point is, though, if this is a science, it should have been clear. Repeatable data under controlled conditions.

Another case that goes back several years is Sacco and Vanzetti, a Massachusetts capital case in which Sacco was executed based on fraudulent ballistics evidence. In a review held 20 years after the execution, much like the King bullet, the examiners found that the six bullets taken from the victim could all have been fired from different .32 autos, none matching Sacco's auto. There was evidence that the "expert" acted in collusion with the prosecutor to deliberately mislead the jury.

Hardly the makings of a national system, unless arbitrary court ordered disarmament could be a goal of Sarah Brady and her buds. If it was your rifle, would the judge go with the 12 rounds that were exculpatory or the 6 that may, may, be incriminating?

http://www.s-t.com/daily/07-97/07-12-97/a01wn008.htm

http://www.sunspot.net/news/local/bal-te.md.guns15oct15,0,4315047.story?coll=bal-local-headlines


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27 posted on 10/19/2002 9:37:35 PM PDT by DBrow
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