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To: Dan Day
It's a kind of phony self-confidence that is not based on any real ability or merit, but instead is form of constant patting yourself on the back, whether it's deserve or not. Maybe even *especially* when it's not deserved.

Well, that's not self-esteem. A person who truly knows his worth is also aware of his failings. These failings, however, don't cause a person of high self-esteem to hate himself; rather, he succeeds in spite of them and works to overcome them because he knows he can.

16 posted on 10/17/2002 7:48:33 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Well, that's not self-esteem.

It is to the "self-esteem movement", which is the whole point.

You're too hung up on word choice, you're not paying attention to the actual mental states being discussed (which are made clear enough from the context of the article and subsequent discussions, even if the single term "self-esteem" in isolation may mean different things to different people).

A false sense of self worth (and the drive to promote it) *is* what's being discussed in the article. Don't let the fact that you may use the same word to describe something else confuse you. No one's denouncing true self-confidence.

It's like posting an article discussing the "gay lifestyle" and clearly talking about homosexuality, and then having someone keep responding, "but there's nothing wrong with being joyful, this is silly".

19 posted on 10/17/2002 8:17:04 PM PDT by Dan Day
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To: sinkspur
because he knows he can

Ghost of Oedipus.

31 posted on 10/17/2002 9:19:19 PM PDT by cornelis
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