This time, sniper left clues - Witness reports seeing man fire fatal shot at latest victim

The Dallas Morning News ^ | October 16, 2002 | The Dallas Morning News Staff

[bonfire]

Thanks for the "median" info. I hadn't heard about that.

[uncbob]

The weapon has been identified as a Chinese made AK-74. It's the same weapon used in at least 5 other shootings (the rest are assumed to be the same). The perp was middle

I have seen AK 47s ( semi auto version with new stocks ) available for sale but not a AK74
Can they be obtained on the open market ?

[FormerLurker]

The weapon has been identified as a Chinese made AK-74.

Who said anything about a AK-74? It isn't a very accurate rifle from what I've heard..

[js1138]

I don't have time to search for all of last night's threads, but it was heavily discussed. It is very distinctive, both by shape and color.

[js1138]

Can they be obtained on the open market ?

Lots of stuff on last night's threads. I'm not the expert.

[MeekOneGOP]

Oh, I see. Thanks. I guess I wasn't familiar with the terminology.

Yeah, I use the DMN quite a bit. I get annoyed at their popup ads all the time.

I hope they catch these jerks, and soon.......

[theDentist]

First off, that photo looks like a group paying homage to the great Home Depot.

But to the serious stuff: The radio says the police have not produced a rendering of the suspect because the descriptions vary so much.
This tell me there are more than 1, more than 2. I think they'll find 3 or more of these guys. And I think it'll be very soon. (just a gut feel there).

[angkor]

He was seen crossing the interstate median to avoid the roadblocks

There are several conflicting 2nd and 3rd hand "witness accounts" floating about, but this one is demonstrably false.

The shooting took place at approximately 09:15:00. The 911 call was received at 09:19:00. Four police cars were on the scene by 09:21:52 (the first at 09:20:44). The roadblocks did not go up until approximately 09:30:00. At the time immediately after the shooting, and for at least 15 minutes thereafter, there were no roadblocks on Rt. 50.

We can say with some certainty that they didn't just sit there for 15 minutes, with a parking lot full of police only yards away.

Second, if he was in the access road (not detailed in any witness account, but in my view likely), there is a 15-foot grass median between that and Rt. 50. Then, there is a second median between the east and west sides of Rt. 50. Which median was he seen crossing? One? Both?

Crossing one would send them eastbound on Rt. 50. Crossing both would send them westbound. There are other "witness" accounts saying they went east, or that they went west. Which of these is true or accurate?

Until the police release an account of actual eyewitness reports, nothing should be taken as gospel. The newsies are propagating dribs and drabs of "witness reports" which are either in direct conflict or which make no logical sense, as above.

[NativeNewYorker]

Mozilla and Opera both kill those popups.

[Doc Savage]

According to a CNN report this morning, police deny (in the face of eyewitnesses who saw the shooter dismount and mount a camel, a greasy turban left at the scene, several Iraqi butterfly ballots pre-punched for someone named Saddam, a complete set of Osama bin Laden trading cards in Kurdish,
and a discarded Maryland driver's license issued to Mohammed Amaloser) that the sniper is a ME AQ terrorist.

[Doc Savage]

Moose ( a brain-dead testment to affirmative action ((imagine you're having emergency neurosurgery and Moose walks into the OR))) was quoted as saying that they didn't want to post a composite drawing of the suspect because they didn't want to "inflame" a particular group of people. Of course this moron wouldn't hesitate to characterize a white guy as a "white guy" if he thought it fit the bill.

I forsee civil actions against Moose for incompetence by the victims families.

[js1138]

There are several conflicting 2nd and 3rd hand "witness accounts" floating about, but this one is demonstrably false.

Re: crossing the median. I doubt if the report is false. It might be irrelevant to the shooting.

[js1138]

I suspect the composit is a generic ME, and would provide no help to the general public. Moose is not up to the PR game at this level, but there is likely to be stuff going on in the background. The thing law enforcement doesn't want to happen is to get one or two of the perps and leave the rest untouched.

[angkor]

Re: crossing the median. I doubt if the report is false. It might be irrelevant to the shooting.

Which median? There are two.

My point is that these witness accounts are too incomplete to draw any useful conclusions. That's not the fault of the direct witnesses, but rather of the newsies who are propagating them in the name of "scoop."

[ASA Vet]

It isn't a very accurate rifle from what I've heard..

This latest shooting was from 90 foot away.
We're talking bow & arrow, or sling shot ranges.

[angkor]

According to a CNN report this morning ...

Good one.

However I have it on reasonable authority that the FBI is aware of the ME terrorist angle, and is working it.

[Monty22]

If moose walked in to sweep up a floor I'd be concerned.. Much less that he rose somehow to this level.

[11Bush]

I own one of the Norinco models, 74S, that has the under-folding stock and it is very accurate out to about 200 meters. Meaning that headshots at 100 meters is very likely. It is also chambered for the 5.56 (.223) NATO cal. This weapon can be found at many gun shops across the U.S. and at the 'evil' gun shows. In fact, I purchased mine in the Peoples Republic of Maryland back when I lived there. Did it mostly to pi$$ off Glendenning and his bunch of anti-gun weenies.

Molon Labe!

[FormerLurker]

It is also chambered for the 5.56 (.223) NATO cal.

I wasn't aware that the AK-74 was sold in that configuration, and thought that the rifle only fired 5.45x39. I guess that means that it very well could have been a AK-74 that a witness had seen..

[js1138]

There's a lot of "scoop" being delivered by the press.