[MacDorcha]

plausable and logical, no wonder the media isnt covering that idea...

[demlosers]

Shhhhhh...
Don't say it too loud the gun-grabbers may go after T/C.

[muawiyah]

That's all very good, but NBC says the cops have a witness who identified the weapon as an AK-74!

[facedown]

Could this guy be using a Contender?

Sure, or a Remington XP-100.

[B4Ranch]

They make them all the way up to a 21" barrel and there are numerous methods to dampen the sound. I won't go into them here but it is possible to shoot a .223 with no sound whatsoever.

The reports of sound being heard have convinced me these guys don't know how or else they would do it everytime.

[groanup]

For goodness sake don't let the bedwetters know there is a long range center-fire hand gun.

[Dead Dog]

Short list of known .224 factory loaded and wild cat cartridges. Is it a .223, probably, but I wouldn't get stuck on it.

.219 Donaldson Wasp

.219 Zipper

.219 Zipper Improved

.22 Benchrest

.22 Carbine

.22 CHeeta Mk II

.22 Eargesplitten

.22 Newton

.22 PPC

.22 Waldog

.22 WCF

.22/06 Easling

.22/30-30 Improved

.22/6.5x54

.22-15-60 Stevens

.22-243 Middlestead

.22-250 Remington

.22-250 Remington Imp.

.22-284 Winchester

.22-303 Falcon

.22-303 Sprinter

.22-303 Swift

.22-350 Remington

.220 Jaybird

.220 Russian

.220 Swift

.220 Weatherby

.220 Wotkyns-Wilson

.222 Remington

.222 Remington Magnum

.222 Rimmed

.223 Remington

.224 Clark

.224 R-C Maxi

.224 Stark

.224 Weatherby

.225 Winchester

2R Lovell

5.56x50mm Magnum

5.6x35R

5.6x50R Magnum

5.6x57mm RWS

5.7mm MMJ

[Delta 21]

This guy (or guys) probly dont have the class or want to spare the expence of a truely high class weapon. Any AR-15 style psuedo-military assault sniper extreeme death gun are a dime a dozen and accurate enough to do this kind of damage with very limited training and practice. ..and its not that hard to evade the cops with a little forthought and planning. Remember the smily face bomber? He got half way across the Country before they caught him and the cops knew who he was befor they arrested him. If this guy (or guys) doesnt want to be caught...(Duh!) its going to be hard to catch him (them). If it is a band of terrorists, trained in urban assault, military tactics and weapons and are highly motivated-- the LA bank robbery that turned full auto will be a walk in the park when these guys are cornered. Im beginning to think that maybe it is a terrorist cell...but I would be cheering the ever vigilant American Hero that witnesses this thug about to cap some one and pulls out his own carry piece and blows him away.

BAMB ! !

Game Over

[Tailback]

He's not using night vision because all of the victims have been in lit areas. Parking lots with lights or under a gas station roofed area. I doubt this guy has actual sniper training, he'd use familiar stuff from the school if he had the training. (.30 cal or 300 magnum) Possibly using a scope but the shots have all been taken within easy range of standard iron sights. An AR-15 or Mini-14 is probably a good guess as to what he's using, they're both plentiful and not too expensive with lots of accessories, mags, and books available. My guess is a middle eastern sleeper, a whacko anti-war lefty enviroMENTAList, or a pissed off wanna-be specops loser.

[Eaker]

Here is what FReeper Flyer scored with my stock Glock 27 with a sandbag rest at 50 yards using 10 rounds. Note: the picture only clearly shows the hits in the orange. All 10 rounds would have been torso shots.

I think he could shoot the same pattern with a T/C at 100 ~ 150 yards with little or no practice at all.

Stay safe; stay armed.

[MarkL]

As someone who's shot and scored "High Power Rifle" matches, I can tell you that a silencer on a rifle is not of much use, if the bullet is traveling at supersonic speeds. Even if you can't hear the shot itself, as the bullet passes near you, you hear a VERY sharp and loud "crack."

And a bullet that light, moving that slowly, wouldn't be terribly accurate.

Mark

[NWO Slave]

Report: I was in Falls Church, VA last night

Robert Young, a DC construction worker was at the Home Depot area at the time of the shooting and told investigators he saw the shooter(s). He said he was pulling out and inadvertently blocked two men in a white Astrovan. They were very agitated and sped around him. Here's what he told the authorities: THE MEN WERE MIDDLE EASTERN!!!!!!

[CWRWinger]

Of the threads I've read, have not seen any mention of a handheld electronic range finder or any kind, for that matter.
From what I gathered, some shots were longer than others.

Would the use of such a mechanical device fit these scenarios?

[Calamari]

Contender 21" Blued 223 Rem No.4820 with Adjustable Sights for the contender carbine.

The Contender Carbine Kit uses the Contender pistol's frame to attach a shoulder stock and carbine barrel thereby converting the pistol to a single shot rifle using an allen wrench and a screw driver. While it is illegal to attach the 10" or 14" .223 barrel to the frame with the shoulder stock in place, I doubt this would stop some one that was going to use it for murdering people.

The 10" and 14" barrels can be fitted with telescopic sights and when combined with the shoulder stock provide a very compact single shot rifle that is more than capable of making the kind of shots reported on the victims.

Is this what is being used? Possibly but I doubt it, since the Contender is not a main-stream weapon and the carbine kit for the pistol is even less well known.

However we are being lead to beleive that the projectile has survived intact or in large fragments within the some of the victims and this would indicate less velocity than a standard bolt action or semi automatic rifle would produce.My thoughts are that the bullet would completely penetrate the victim and be long gone or lodged in something down range. In fact I recall that the school child actually had the bullet traverse several organs and not exit his body. A shortened rifle barrel will produce less velocity from a "standard" .223"(5.56mm) round.

The Contender is capable of hitting human head size targets at 200 meters (220 yds.) in the hands of a very skilled shooter with regular iron sights. With a scope, a rest and a shoulder stock you do not need to be highly skilled just competent.