CNN Headline News reporting shooting in Falls Church

Who IS that guy? MSNBC will re-run the eyewitness interview in a minute or two.. you can catch this jerk (I think). He's in the background behind the car... on the cell phone. Hope the cops see him!!

On second thought, you might be right. If he is using a bolt action, he probably wouldn't eject the case. But the police have found ejected cases, right?

I know what I wouild do. Immediately deport all non-citizens and illegal aliens. Close all mosques. Issue an Executive Order deputizing all American citizens and empowering them to carry loaded firearms. Issue weapons to everyone who wants one who can pass a security test. Issue letters of mark for open season on muslim terrorists, and waiver of liability if "mistakes" are made. Of course, this will not happen until far in the future.

One day, but maybe not soon enough, you're right. We're going to be sitting ducks for quite some time, I'm afraid.

BUMP

That's fine. We are doing it your way over ten times so far. I'm not a hero but if I have a chance to do some good in helping someone, I alway take it. It's in my nature. It's also why I carry everywhere I go.

Al Qaeda cells aren't really cells so much as associations or webs. While the hijackers worked in teams of five on aircraft, they were from the Hamburg 'cell' which was larger.

PORTLAND GROUP...

* Patrice Lumumba Ford : (aka Lumumba) Patrice Lumumba Ford's family and co-workers knew the 31-year-old as a bright, quiet student who spent a year at Johns Hopkins University's prestigious program in China, earned a master's degree in Chinese studies and married a Chinese woman. - "Latest U.S. Citizens Arrested on Terror Charges Have Varied Pasts; 1 Worked for Politicians, " by Gilian Flaccus, AP via TBO, October 5, 2002
Charged with "Conspiracy to Levy War Against the United States, Conspiracy to Provide Material Support and Resources to Al-Qaida , Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and the Taliban " ; US citizen who tried to travel to Afghanistan by way of China in October 2001 Patrice Lumumba Ford is world-traveled, apparantly a graduate of or attended the Johns Hopkins University’s Paul Nitze Center for Advanced Studies (SAIS), he studied in Beijing in the mid-1990s and has attained fluency in Mandarin Chinese. (The old man Ford (the former Black Panther) said comrade junior studied in "Beijing". But the Paul Nitze SAIS China center is in "Nanjing", quite a ways away.)
Patrice Lumumba Ford, one of the suspected "portland Group" terrorists arrested on October 4, 2002, was an INTERN FOR PORTLAND MAYOR VERA KATZ, the mayor who refused to allow the Portland Police Bureau cooperate with the DOJ on terrorism investigative interviews. -Lars Larson, local Portland talk show host
Named after the African (communist) resistance leader and first president of Congo, Patrice Lumumba Ford worked as an international relations intern in 1986 for then-Portland mayor Bud Clark and again in 1998 and 1999 for Portland Mayor Vera Katz, Patrice Lumumba Ford also taught physical education at an Islamic school in the Portland suburb of Tigard, operated a private shuttle service and worked to resettle recently arrived Muslim refugees into the Portland community. His father is Kent Ford, former head of the now defunct Portland chapter of the Black Panthersand now is a weight-training coach at Matt Dishman community Center, part of Portland Parks and Recreation, in Northeast Portland, Oregon. Patrice has a brother named James Britt.

* Jeffery Leon Battle : (aka Ahmad Ali and Abu Isa) Charged with Conspiracy to Levy War Against the United States, Conspiracy to Provide Material Support and Resources to Al-Qaida , Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and the Taliban, Possessing Firearms in Furtherance of Crimes of Violence ; US citizen and ex-Army reservist, trained in WA, tried to travel to Afghanistan by way of China in October 2001. Battle obtained an 'administrative discharge' from US Army Reserve while he was in Bangladesh in January 2002.'.
Jeffery Leon Battle and October Martinique Lewis worked as nursing assistants at a Portland retirement home, according to Lewis' mother.

* Ahmed Ibrahim Bilal :US-born parents now Saudis. Ahmed is the brother of Muhammad Ibrahim Bilal. Charged with Conspiracy to Levy War Against the United States, Conspiracy to Provide Material Support and Resources to Al-Qaida , Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and the Taliban, Possessing Firearms in Furtherance of Crimes of Violence ; trained in WA, tried to travel to Afghanistan by way of China in October 2001. He is about 22 years old. He and his brother Muhammed Bilal, 24, are natives of Saudi Arabia who at one point attended a Beaverton mosque where they were known for their fluent Arabic, said Shahriar Ahmen, president of the mosque. Ahmed is thought to be in alaysia as of October 2002.

* Muhammad Ibrahim Bilal : Parents in Saudi Arabian are of US origin. Muhammad is the brother of Ahmed Ibrahim Bilal. Charged with Conspiracy to Levy War Against the United States, Conspiracy to Provide Material Support and Resources to Al-Qaida , Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and the Taliban ; tried to travel to Afghanistan by way of China in October 2001 Muhammed Bilal, 24, and his 22-year-old brother, Ahmed, are natives of Saudi Arabia who at one point attended a Beaverton mosque where they were known for their fluent Arabic, said Shahriar Ahmen, president of the mosque.

* Habis Abdullah al Saoub : (aka Abu Tarek aka Samarqund) Portland resident. Jordanian origin. Charged with Conspiracy to Levy War Against the United States, Conspiracy to Provide Material Support and Resources to Al-Qaida , Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and the Taliban, Possessing Firearms in Furtherance of Crimes of Violence ; trained in WA, tried to travel to Afghanistan by way of China in October 2001
Al Saoub is a former Portland resident from Jordan and was a legal resident of the US, according to The Oregonian. - "Latest U.S. Citizens Arrested on Terror Charges Have Varied Pasts; 1 Worked for Politicians, " by Gilian Flaccus, Associated Press writer Jasbant Singh in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, also contributed to this report. AP via TBO , October 5, 2002

* October Martinique Lewis : (aka Khadijah) female; US citizen. Charged with Conspiracy to Levy War Against the United States, Conspiracy to Provide Material Support and Resources to Al-Qaida , Conspiracy to Contribute Services to Al-Qaida and the Taliban ;suspect who remained in Portland and wired money eight times to her ex-husband, suspect Jeffery Leon Battle, when he was trying to travel to Afghanistan by way of China
October Martinique Lewis and Jeffery Leon Battle worked as nursing assistants at a Portland retirement home, according to Lewis' mother.

* Ali Khaled Steitiye : Lebanese citizen and Hamas sympathizer, arrested in Portland October 2001 for having an illegal weapons cache. Steitiye is a Hamas sympathizer who was found to have circled the date Sept. 11 in red on his calendar.well before the others. He was seen by Sheriff's Deputy Mark Mercer in WA shooting at the gravel pit with other members of the Portland Group in September 2001. Upon questioning after his later arrest in portland, OR, he admitted he had trained in Lebanese Hamas camps "in his youth." He has a long criminal record and was caught after being reported by a suspicious Oregon gun dealer.

* Sheik Mohamed Abdirahman Kariye aka Muhamed Abdirahman : A prayer leader at another Muslim site , the Islamic Center of Portland (not far away from the Rizwan mosque near some Portland Group membere's homes) was arrested Sept. 9, 2002 and charged with Social Security fraud. The FBI initially said traces of explosives residue were found on his luggage, but further tests ruled out the residue. Kariye remains in jail. Mohamed Abdirahman Kariye, a leader of the mosque the Islamic Center of Portland. * A federal prosecutor in Portland said Sheik Kariye did not pay taxes in recent years and claimed to make little money — yet often traveled to the Middle East. A source told the Trib that the imam claimed in a financial statement to earn only $24,000 a year, but often had "lots of cash" on hand. Kariye had "several thousand dollars" and a checkbook in a different name when arrested, authorities contend.- "Al-Qaeda in Pennsylvania: Man linked to mosque under FBI scrutiny, " or "Man linked to mosque under FBI scrutiny" by Betsy Hiel and Chuck Plunkett, Pittsburgh Tribune-Review , Wednesday Sept. 11, 2002

* Tawfiq Tabib : Tabib wrote for an Islamist magazine published in Pittsburgh from 1991 to 2000, lives in the same apartment complex as Sheik Mohamed Abdirahman Kariye in Portland.

* (? unknown name): Alleged Associate of Wadih El Hage : Shared a Portland address with Mulhim el-Tayeb and Khalid Ayed.

* Mulhim El-Tayeb : El Tayeb is a Sudanese; he worked for the same magazine as Tafiq Tabib in Pittsburgh and, according to a source familiar with its operation, controlled its money. He and a brother-in-law, Khalid Ayed, who also wrote for Assirat, shared a Portland address with an alleged associate of Wadih El-Hage.

* Khalid Ayed : Ayed and his brother-in-law Mulhim El-Tayeb, who also wrote for Assirat, shared a Portland address with an alleged associate of Wadih El-Hage.

* Farid Adlouni : A former Washington state Transportation Department engineer, Adlouni is a civil engineer and U.S. citizen who once worked out of the Vancouver office, was profiled in The Oregonian newspaper yesterday as a man with business ties to a top Osama bin Laden aide and who has attracted FBI scrutiny.

* Abdel Aziz : Need more info on this guy

Oh thank you, Tree of Liberty...I wish I was ValleyGIRL.
I picked ValleyGAL cuz I'm a tad over 40.

I thought I was reading a double post...you guys must have ESP!

I thought for a second that I had somehow posted twice!

I put 10/2 into"Any day in history" and this came up:Religious Observances

RC : Memorial of the Guardian Angel

is this a reference to Michael?

I rechecked my data. Drop for the 40 grain 223 at 100 yards is 2 inches. Negligible for a man-sized target.

Post 32, wouldn't this Home Depot be closed at the time of the shooting? No, it is a 24 hour store.

OK, there he is.... rolling on the floor, laughing his ass off. Where's a darn lip reader when you need one? Now he's waving. Hi Mom.

Good story. I have a gun story about the Louisiana state troopers I'll share with you some time too. It had a good ending also.

This was Ken Bridges from the Exxon station. There's a memorial fund set up for him. I don't have the address handy right now but it's a NJ address. He knew some freepers. His kids are in their twenties.

I see who you're talking about, THAT PISSES ME OFF

"I carry everywhere I go."
Must be nice to be able to without worry over having your life destroyed by the gunhaters success in making us all out to be criminals.

OK, there he is.... rolling on the floor, laughing his ass off. Don't you just want to SLAP him?!

Standing with you in prayer, FV ... whatever terrorism is wrought upon us will be increased by the outrageous activities that will appear at election time ... I, too, am greatly concerned about that day ...

I think you're right. I had a friend who was a sniper on one of our "peace keeping missions" who said he moved after three shots because the enemy could vector in on his position if he fired more. He said that on one occasion there were so many targets he violated the rule and just had time to say good bye to his spotter before the mortar rounds hit. He lost his spotter.