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How reducible is the system? Well, no-one knows. RNA molecules substitute for DNA as carriers of the genetic code. They also can do enzymatic functions. We've evolved complexity over time, and even the simplest organisms are more likely degenerate versions of more complex predecessors, rather than remnants of ancestral primitiveness. But to say this complexity must always have been there is silly; one might as well argue that because brains are crucial to humans, no organism can exist without a brain.

Or more ironically, given that we're all conservatives here: There are companies that are cash-only, but if you removed the checking system, our modern free market economy would collapse. Likewise if you removed the gas stations, our modern free market economy would collapse. If you removed the gas-powered vehicles, our modern free market economy would collapse. If you removed the computer industry, our modern free market economy would collapse.

According to ID logic the conclusion is obvious: The Communists were right. Complex modern economies must be designed; they cannot evolve on their own from simpler beginnings.

Communism came from Darwin/marx---EVOLUTION/liberalism---socialists/statists!

Or more ironically, given that we're all conservatives here: There are companies that are cash-only, but if you removed the checking system, our modern free market economy would collapse. Likewise if you removed the gas stations, our modern free market economy would collapse. If you removed the gas-powered vehicles, our modern free market economy would collapse. If you removed the computer industry, our modern free market economy would collapse.

A horrible analogy because economies are the result of the actions of intelligent individuals. Evolution denies intelligent actions. More importantly though, the argument of design is quite strong as I show in Post# 245 . It does not depend completely on irreducible complexity. Irreducible complexity is just a supporting argument. The real argument is that one cannot ascribe to random coincidence very complex, very specific, creations. The universe, the arisal of life and the creation of species are examples which science has shown could in no way have arisen by chance or any sort of known materialistic means.