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To: Heartlander
Behe is not a Creationist, he is an evolutionist.

Quoting his letter to Science

"intelligent design in biology is not invisible, it is empirically detectable"

Behe can wriggle all he wants, but 'design' is creation, unless you think the designer at the last minute left the blueprints on the table and let the universe evolve on its own. My own theory is that Behe, a Catholic like myself, was utterly naive about the lunacy biblical literalists can come up with, and is embarassed and perhaps a little scared by his new fan-club, so he's backing off.

It's a crappy DNA picture, too. The bases are flat, lie perpendicular to the helix axis, and are stacked on top of each other. Any basic biochemistry textbook will show you this.

218 posted on 10/17/2002 6:43:33 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Right Wing Professor
My own theory is that Behe, a Catholic like myself, was utterly naive about the lunacy biblical literalists can come up with, and is embarassed and perhaps a little scared by his new fan-club, so he's backing off.

As a Catholic, do you really believe that there is no directed goal, ultimate purpose, and intelligent design, to life?

219 posted on 10/17/2002 6:52:06 PM PDT by Heartlander
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To: Right Wing Professor
Behe can wriggle all he wants, but 'design' is creation,

Who cares what it is. The fact is that Intelligent Design is true. It has been proven many times to be true and it at the same time proves evolution to be false. The bacterial flagellum is the most famous proof, however there are many more. The following story is one:

A Moment in History...

That a maker is required for anything that is made is a lesson Sir Isaac Newton was able to teach forcefully to an atheist-scientist friend of his. Sir Isaac had an accomplished artisan fashion for him a small scale model of our solar system which was to be put in a room in Newton?s home when completed. The assignment was finished and installed on a large table. The workman had done a very commendable job, simulating not only the various sizes of the planets and their relative proximities, but also so constructing the model that everything rotated and orbited when a crank was turned. It was an interesting, even fascinating work, as you can image, particularly to anyone schooled in the sciences.

Newton's atheist-scientist friend came by for a visit. Seeing the model, he was naturally intrigued, and proceeded to examine it with undisguised admiration for the high quality of the workmanship. "My! What an exquisite thing this is!? he exclaimed. "Who made it?? Paying little attention to him, Sir Isaac answered, "Nobody."

Stopping his inspection, the visitor turned and said: "Evidently you did not understand my question. I asked who made this. Newton, enjoying himself immensely no doubt, replied in a still more serious tone. "Nobody. What you see just happened to assume the form it now has." "You must think I am a fool!? the visitor retorted heatedly, "Of course somebody made it, and he is a genius, and I would like to know who he is."

Newton then spoke to his friend in a polite yet firm way: "This thing is but a puny imitation of a much grander system whose laws you know, and I am not able to convince you that this mere toy is without a designer and maker; yet you profess to believe that the great original from which the design is taken has come into being without either designer or maker! Now tell me by what sort of reasoning do you reach such an incongruous conclusion?"
From: Sir Isaac Newton Solar System Story, "The Truth: God or evolution?" by Marshall and Sandra Hall

The above story has been proven through since then, that is why atheists are proposing an infinite amount of universes as the explanation for our universe.

Another proof is the impossibility of abiogenesis. First of all is Pasteur's proof that life does not come from inert matter (and this was of course at one time the prediction of materialists). Then came the discovery of DNA and the chemical basis of organisms. This poses a totally insurmountable problem to abiogenesis. The smallest living cells has a DNA string of some one million base pairs long and some 600 genes, even cutting this number by a quarter as the smallest possible living cell would give us a string of some 250,000 base pairs of DNA. It is important to note here that DNA can be arranged in any of the four basic codes equally well, there is no chemical or other necessity to the sequence. The chances of such an arrangement arising are therefore 4^250,000. Now the number of atoms in the universe is said to be about 4^250. I would therefore call 4^250,000 an almost infinitely impossible chance (note that the supposition advanced that perhaps it was RNA that produced the first life has this same problem).

The problem though is even worse than that. Not only do you need two (2) strings of DNA perfectly matched to have life, but you also need a cell so that the DNA code can get the material to sustain that life. It is therefore a chicken and egg problem, you cannot have life without DNA (or RNA if one wants to be generous) but one also has to have the cell itself to provide the nutrients for the sustenance of the first life. Add to this problem that for the first life to have been the progenitor of all life on earth, it necessarily needs to have been pretty much the same as all life now on earth is, otherwise it could not have been the source of the life we know. Given all these considerations, yes, abiogenesis is impossible.

Another proof is that biologists call the developmentat process whereby one cell multiplies into 100 trillion cells in exactly the correct place, of the exactly correct type during development a program. That is a trifecta against materialism and no one can refute it.

245 posted on 10/17/2002 9:07:14 PM PDT by gore3000
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