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1 posted on 10/14/2002 4:01:10 AM PDT by kattracks
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2 posted on 10/14/2002 4:07:47 AM PDT by Rightly Biased
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Animals....
3 posted on 10/14/2002 4:09:10 AM PDT by cynicom
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Can there be a shred of doubt that if this crime were white on black there would full coverage by the mass media and that some way would be found to charge the perps with hate crime. (I hear Kansas has no hate crime law on the books)
6 posted on 10/14/2002 4:13:57 AM PDT by dennisw
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The journalistic powers that be have no idea the harm they're doing to the cause they espouse by silencing the reportage of this case.

Most people are willing to concede their intellectual or political adversaries' sincerity -- right up to the point at which the adversary starts to conceal the facts. There is no conceivable justification for concealing a fact that bears on some issue of note, such as hate-crimes legislation. It reeks of moral cowardice. It throws suspicion on every act and argument of the concealer.

If we're fortunate, events like Wichita, and the embarrassed silence of the media about them, will be the death of left-wing racism.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
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8 posted on 10/14/2002 4:18:11 AM PDT by fporretto
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I'm sorry that CNSNEWS is sorry that this case isn't getting national exposure. There's a similar case in Eastern Kansas where a guy murdered half a dozen women and stuffed their bodies into oil drums, but CNSNEWS hasn't heard about that, either. Of course, since that was white on white crime I doubt that they would be interested anyway.

The only thing that really matters is that these two are on trial for their lives. Given the evidence I have no doubt at all that they will be convicted and that they will be executed and that's all that really interest me.

9 posted on 10/14/2002 4:19:18 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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The 'idea' of 'hate crimes' is to inflame one group who can thereby feed racial hatered and fan flames of bigotry..
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The left loves to inflame blacks feelings of injustice and 'so called' righteous anger toward white people, white religon, white govt., white culture,...and thereby create a parallel culture of rebellion and violence...based on bigotry and the rationalization of more of the same...(but on the alleged perpetrators-aka whitey)

The left needs to keep black people down..and the poverty pimps of the likes of Jackson and Sharpton play this tune..and keep black people dancing to it...its what keeps vast sums of money flowing from a fearfull white culture...its the new masters whip on the tax payin slaves..
The category 'hate crimes' is just one mo' tool of the new wannabe slave masters..

Once in a while you'd think they would sacrafice one of their own, if just for just appearance' sake..

Perhaps they realize how ludicrous they really are and no longer bother with the sham...?
10 posted on 10/14/2002 4:21:22 AM PDT by joesnuffy
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DoJ also states, "African Americans are more likely to be targets of hate crimes than members of any other group. Of the nearly 8,000 hate crimes reported in 1995, almost 3,000 of them were motivated by bias against African Americans. Other typical victims are Jews, homosexuals, Muslims, and, increasingly, Asian Americans," according to the website.apparently white people are not allowed to be victims of hate crimes
12 posted on 10/14/2002 4:25:39 AM PDT by RWG
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Every crime is a hate crime.
13 posted on 10/14/2002 4:26:12 AM PDT by perfect stranger
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It's not media. IT IS PROPAGANDA.
18 posted on 10/14/2002 4:38:09 AM PDT by PGalt
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Only White Americans, Notice that's not hypenated!!! can be charged with a hate crime. All other Americans that are Hypenated cannot be charged with a hate crime.... It's an equality thing.... Huh?
23 posted on 10/14/2002 5:18:09 AM PDT by .45MAN
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Reginald & Jonathan Carr


30 posted on 10/14/2002 6:25:02 AM PDT by NWO Slave
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Why are so many Freepers trying to make this a race issue? It seems these killers are nothing more than animals...They didn't care what color their victims were.

Aren't Freepers better than Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson?

Give it a rest...
32 posted on 10/14/2002 6:28:37 AM PDT by Johnny Shear
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Thanks for posting an interesting and well written article about this horrible case.

I agree that this was not a "hate crime" as those words are used in "hate crime" statutes. [Those statutes themselves are offensive, but that is another diatribe for another day.].

The brothers Carr were after money first and foremost and were willing to take whatever cheap thrills they could get in the process. It is a simple fact of life that in this country that whites, on average, have more money than blacks. So, it is easier, when whites commit crime on blacks, to conclude that there must be some other motive at work. The James Byrd case is an excellent example; his killers were clearly not after money. Kansas doesn't have a "hate crimes" statute (for which it should be applauded). Even if it did, what basis would the prosecutors have for charging this crime under such a statute. Yes, all of the victims were white. Would the Carrs have shown the same animal viciousness to fellow blacks? Perhaps not, but, on the evidence they have, how are you going to prove that in a court of law? Do you assume just because they chose middle-class white victims the motive had to be race? Willie Sutton was once asked why he robbed banks. His answer was, "'Cause that's where the money is."

Even without a "hate crime" label, though, this is still a horrible crime that in normal circumstances would merit national coverage. Five young adults brutalized, tortured, raped, and shot execution-style on a frozen field. Come on, media, you cover crimes less serious than that on a national basis all the time. It is clear the national press is steering away from this case because of the extreme brutality and depravity the Carrs showed toward their victims. It is just not PC these days to portray blacks in this way. Whether the portrayal might be accurate insofar as the Carr brothers are concerned is just not an issue for the national media. Their fear is that those who read of this case will generalize and ascribe the conduct of the Carrs to all blacks. That is absurd, of course, but I can't help wondering whether it is because these bastions of PC are themselves tempted to make this leap in logic that they assume all of the rest of us will as well.

So, my politically correct media elite friends, here is a word of advice. You just worry about reporting the news. That is your job. You leave to the rest of us the task of trying to decide what the news means. That is our job, and, despite your doubts and condescention, we are quite capable of doing it without your guidance.

38 posted on 10/14/2002 7:06:25 AM PDT by blau993
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"When a white commits a murder against a black, it's national headlines. But when two blacks force their way into an apartment, rape two white women and take them and their three white male friends and murder them in cold blood, it's not even worth a national news story," said he in a recent column.

Just as when two dumbass straight guys murder a gay man and leave his body hanging on a fence in Wyoming, it's a national outrage, but when two queer hairdressers in Arkansas repeatedly sodomize and eventually kill a 14-year old boy, it's not mentioned. RIP, Jesse Dirkhising.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

39 posted on 10/14/2002 7:12:27 AM PDT by wku man
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Well Golly,Gee,Whiz,Do You Mean To Tell Me That There Is A DOUBLE-STANDARD?Who'd A Thunk It??
43 posted on 10/14/2002 7:55:11 AM PDT by bandleader
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Black on white hate crimes are so COMMON that they don't make the news. White on black hate crimes are very rare, that is why they make the news!!!! I think rape should be treated as a HATE crime! Many things should be a hate crime, not just black on white crime. And I say this as a person who has a black ancestor.
45 posted on 10/14/2002 8:11:23 AM PDT by buffyt
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All hate crime laws should be declared un-Constitutional and removed from the books. Murder, mutilation and brutality are crimes already, with proper punishment prescribed upon conviction. What is on a person's mind while committing a crime, is obviously anything but love for the victem. If there are hate crime laws in place though, they should be administered equally.

If this pair of jackals are found guilty by the jury and sentenced to death,and the sentence is carried out sometime between conviction and the time they die of old age, that is as much as can be done to them, whether they hated their victems or not.

Hate crime laws and the way they are applied and those the media choose to notorize, is all part of the liberal plan for hate crime laws in the first place-to create politically correct victems of one group regardless of how rarely it happens to them and to demonize another group even if it's members rarely commit such crimes and are far more likely to be victimized by the liberal's designated victem group.
50 posted on 10/14/2002 1:53:57 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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The woman who survived was on the Montel Williams show last week. I did not see it, but my girlfriend did.
51 posted on 10/14/2002 3:20:01 PM PDT by Britton J Wingfield
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bttt
53 posted on 10/15/2002 3:19:14 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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We need to keep this on the front burner until someone in the media wakes up and clubs Jesse Jackson over the head with it. This is one of the most foul, heinous abominations ever committed on US soil, yet these pukebags hide in obscurity. Every human citizen of this nation should be demanding their heads. Instead, all we hear is an ominous, complicit silence.
54 posted on 10/15/2002 3:22:56 PM PDT by IronJack
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