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Tragic. Sounds like a good person and a great mind lost.

Anyone know anything about "contamination" of fuel tests. Never heard of them, but I admit ignorance. Article states they are regularly done.

1 posted on 10/12/2002 10:58:30 AM PDT by Freedom of Speech Wins
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2 posted on 10/12/2002 11:03:20 AM PDT by amom
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The most frequent contaminant of Avgas is water which forms as a result of condensation. It's a major hazard in aviation and much attention is paid to checking for it's presence during preflight inspections.
3 posted on 10/12/2002 11:03:27 AM PDT by billorites
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Example of Piper Cherokee Six:

Good airplane with excellent safety record.

5 posted on 10/12/2002 12:08:30 PM PDT by pabianice
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Hi Freedom

They can check the wreckage to see if the engine was turning over at impact. (Both external and internal cues will tell the investigators this). If it wasn't, they look at why it stopped.

Was fuel present? OK, was it the right kind of fuel? (The 300 HP engine of this Cherokee Six would probably run badly on auto gas. It would stop running if the fuel was contaminated with water [as mentioned by billorites -- it usually gets in to the fuel by condensing inside the tank] or jet fuel [usually gets in because someone messed up]).

Other contaminants that get into fuel are alcohol (found in some auto fuels, but unsafe in aircraft fuel systems), and debris from the rubber tank bladders if they get old and start decomposing (or if some chemical, like the above-mentioned ethanol, was in the fuel).

Like billorites said, during preflight inspection of this particular machine there are three places where the pilot drains fuel into a cup or a tube. If he sees water, he keeps draining till it's all out (water is heavier than gas and settles to the bottom, where the drains are). There is one drain below each wing tank and one underneath the engine.

Anyway, after an accident there are a lot of things the investigators do. Any remaining fuel is checked for the kind of contamination "bill" and I described. The fuel filter will also be examined closely.

The most usual reason for an aero motor to stop turning is operator error -- ran it out of gas, or switched to an empty fuel tank, or pulled the mixture knob when trying to chop the throttle. Second most common is carburetor ice which is unlikely to be a factor in this area (it's pretty arid) in this season (spring), but it will certainly be considered by the investigators.

The same procedures are used by ATSB, America's NTSB, Britain's AAIB and France's BEA, etc. Accident investigation is both an art and a science, but everybody who does it worldwide shares information and techniques. After all, if we can learn something from these accidents these unfortunate souls did not die in vain.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

6 posted on 10/12/2002 12:35:05 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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12 posted on 10/12/2002 1:20:28 PM PDT by Consort
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Anyone know anything about "contamination" of fuel tests

Yes, I have heard of this, and... cannot for the life of me remember exactly the other crash...JFK, Jr?.no...? (I'm working on it).

13 posted on 10/12/2002 1:23:28 PM PDT by txhurl
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FREEDOM OF SPEECH WINS WROTE: "Anyone know anything about "contamination" of fuel tests. Never heard of them, but I admit ignorance."

I wish I knew of such a test---it should be used for all fluids in a car or plane.

I had my oil changed at a KWIK KAR and 500 miles later, my BRAKES FAILED COMPLETELY.

My brake fluid, which had been bled by the Dealer three-and-a-half months earlier---(i.e. by someone who would KNOW by SIGHT if the brake fluid was significantly off color by contamination)---was dark brown when it is supposedly supposed to be clear to pale yellow.

There was supposedly an oily substance (like regular car oil) in it. Gee, I wonder how it WASN'T in there three-and-a-half months ago, but a few days and 500 miles after getting an OIL CHANGE at KWIK KAR, the BRAKE FLUID suddenly had an OILY CONTAMINATION.

Need I say where NOT to go? That KWIK KAR OIL CHANGE COST ME $2,500.00!!!! I had to have my BRAKES REPLACED as well as everything the CONTAMINATED BRAKE FLUID touched!!!!!

It would sure be nice to have a fluid contamination checker.

19 posted on 10/12/2002 2:23:48 PM PDT by Concerned
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