Finland Mall Bomber Died In Blast

BBC ^ | 10-12-2002

[blam]

Another 'religion of peace' bombing?

Coming to a mall near you?

[The Electrician]

None of the articles that I've seen give any explanation for how they have determined that the bomber was killed in the explosion. Did he have a note on his body? Did he have a remote triggering device in his hands? Did he have a bomb-making printout in his backpack? Was he seen detonating the device? Something else?

[templar]

Finland needs more laws.

Seriously, we live in a world where the technology for mass destruction is available to just about everyone everywhere. We will find no solution.

[aristeides]

The mall in Vantaa, a suburb some 15 kilometres (10 miles) north of the capital, has 138 shops and restaurants. It was opened in 1994 and is run by Citycon, a Finnish property company.

Article does not identify perp, beyond saying he was 20-year-old from Helsinki. I wonder if they have many immigrants in Helsinki.

[bluester]

Police chief inspector Mikko Maunuksela Police official Tero Haapala said the man was from Helsinki and was under the age of 20.

[Miss Marple]

Thanks for flagging me. I hadn't seen this particular story. On another thread there is an article about two guys being arrested by an apartment building with explosives. Their names were decidedly un-Finnish.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

They do have the middle eastern plague their too. Why make a sacrifice to Allah in a Helsinki mall though?

[Miss Marple]

Citycon has about 15% American investors. The largest stockholders are banks. Seems to be a Finnish company with mostly Finnish investors.

[ghost of nixon]

a sad & disturbing story - however, I wonder how many Finns that are "shocked!" and angered by this act of terrorism, have been supporting the Palestinians - even after 3 years of suicide bombing of similar civilian areas.

[onedoug]

Welcome to the war.

[I_Love_My_Husband]

They won't release the bomber's name, yet they say he's dead.

Hmmm.

MUSLIM perhaps?

[Bernard]

Did he even have a name? There's no mention of it in the article.

[garbanzo]

Seriously, we live in a world where the technology for mass destruction is available to just about everyone everywhere. We will find no solution.

This is why we have to destroy the regimes which sponsor and inspire these acts. It's only going to get worse with better and better technology available to more people.

[paltz]

If he's Muslim, it won't matter. They'll continue to be in denial like the French are about the Oil tanker.

[blam]

When the perp's name is omitted, you can bet that it's either Tyronne or Mohammad.

[Ordinary_American]

Finnish university chemistry student

[spunkets]

"Seriously, we live in a world where the technology for mass destruction is available to just about everyone everywhere."

It's been available for a long time. There's a decided lack of individual responsibility, morals and in particular respect for others rights that is not being taught and followed.

[Excuse_My_Bellicosity]

Sad but true.

[Musket]

In addition to curtailing M.E. countries' weapons capablilities....If this crap keeps up eventually western countries will have to send every dirty stinking death freak muslim back to the sh*thole they came from. We'll have no choice. Do you want to live like this from hence forward? I sure as hell don't.

[templar]

It's been available for a long time. There's a decided lack of individual responsibility, morals and in particular respect for others rights that is not being taught and followed.

It depends on what you consider a long time. Today, I can go out shopping within 5 miles of my home and purchase the needed items to make a device that will blow down a small building. None of them would arouse suspicion as they are nescessary support for everyday home items (swinning pools, hot tubs, campers, etc.). Or I could make a cyanide gas bomb and do some real damage on a subway or something. This wasn't true 30 or 40 years ago since the lifestyle we lived then didn't require common access to these items.

You'are right about responsibility and respect for others rights not being taught. But we need to consider exactly what others rights are and what respecting them means. People today are being forced more and more into a narrow channel of what is considered acceptable behavior and lifestyle. "Go west young man" advice to the discontented and restless youth of a century and a half ago is ridiculous advice to those same type of people today. We take this personality type and teach him that all of his instincts and urges are not acceptable; that he must conform to a very restricted bahavior and quash all of his natural desires. We do not give him a socially aceptable means to develop into what he desires to be and force him into becoming something antithetical to his very nature. Then we seem surprised when something goes boom. The psycho who lashes out will probably feel that he is justified because of the violations of his natural rights by society as a whole. We will not make room for those that can't fit within the ordinary frame of society,; In fact, we will tighten the definition of that frame so that more and more people will not fit and will be forced into serious conflict with that society.

So, in my opinion, we face a twofold problem. We are creating more and more social misfits; Angry, ticking time bombs. Our way of life gives more and more access to the things that can be used for mass destruction by those misfits.