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Loose rules for guns strengthen ‘sniper subculture’
cantonrep.com ^ | Friday, October 11, 2002 | Marie Cocco

Posted on 10/11/2002 3:48:32 PM PDT by RogueIsland

Loose rules for guns strengthen ‘sniper subculture’

Friday, October 11, 2002
By MARIE COCCO

WASHINGTON -- There is everything to like about Carolyn McCarthy.

The New York congresswoman who got to Washington on the trajectory of tragedy still laughs with gusto and dresses without flash and pulls back her hair in a ponytail like a suburban homemaker. That is what she was when a gunman on a Long Island Rail Road train shattered her old life and launched her toward another.

She took to politics after her husband was killed and her son gravely wounded aboard that commuter train. It was a way, maybe, to do something about guns in America. A way, perhaps, to keep the comfort of someone else’s daily routine from becoming a catastrophe.

McCarthy has been in Congress six years now. But you could, at any moment, imagine her not standing at a microphone but loading groceries into her car, or vacuuming it out, or mowing the lawn.

She is still just like her constituents. And they are just like the people of suburban Washington, terrorized by a sniper who has randomly killed six people and injured two while they were encased in the fragile comfort of daily routines.

So it is easy to like McCarthy. But it is hard to talk to her.

When we talk, it is usually because some new horror requires the conversation. And these conversations remind us only that we have done so little — nothing, really — about the glorification of guns and the way in which we make them so easily available to just about anyone who wants one.

“Did he buy his gun at a gun show?” McCarthy asked of the sniper, who experts say is using high-velocity, military-style bullets designed to cause maximum damage to a target. “Did he go through one of the loopholes that we have been trying to close?”

Maybe, maybe not. Civilian sales of military-style sniper rifles and ammunition are, apparently, all the rage. These may have replaced assault weapons as the latest must-have gadgets. In certain circles, anyway.

The trend was documented in a 1999 report by the Violence Policy Center, a gun-control group. It was, of course, ignored.

“A sniper subculture is burgeoning within the American civilian gun culture,” the report said. “This subculture glorifies the sniper fantasy, diminishes its human cost and teaches everything about sniping — from equipment and shooting skills to military and police sniping tactics.”

Its unofficial motto is “One shot, one kill.” This has, apparently, been taken seriously by Washington’s suburban sniper. He has murdered or wounded each of his victims with a single shot.

“The accuracy, range and power of a sniper rifle could present a grave danger if used by a determined criminal or a deranged gunman, and a serious threat to national security in the hands of a terrorist,” the report said.

McCarthy wonders if this sniper has a history of mental illness. That was the case with the gunman who disturbed another comforting routine — mass at Our Lady of Peace Catholic Church in Lynbrook, N.Y., last March — by killing the priest and a parishioner. The mentally ill are barred under a 1968 federal law from getting guns, but they still do. It is, in part, because states haven’t automated patient records or shared them with federal authorities, so they cannot be checked when a person buys a gun from a licensed dealer.

After the Lynbrook murders, McCarthy sponsored legislation to give states money to automate mental health records and turn them over. It passed easily out of the House Judiciary Committee; the selling point for the pro-gun lawmakers who control the panel was that her bill didn’t create some new law. But the House Republican leadership hasn’t allowed a floor vote.

McCarthy’s bill to keep mentally ill people from getting guns must wait its turn, she said, behind another piece of gun legislation now pending in the House: A measure to prohibit lawsuits against the gun industry.

McCarthy expected the leadership to bring the industry-protection measure up for a vote Thursday. Now it’s been put off. “We understand it was pulled,” she said.

The timing, you see, wasn’t quite right.

Marie Cocco’s e-mail address is:

cocco@newsday.com


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; guns; sniper; whiningantigunloon
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To: templar
I am not kidding !!! If you want to purchase a BB gun or a pellet gun you need a firearm ID card . The SAME card that you need to buy a rifle . You even need the card to legally buy the BBs.
If you want to purchase a handgun, you need the firearm ID card. Then you have to get an application to purchase the firearm and it has to be approved by the local police dept or state police if none is local.
THEN it is at THEIR descretion to give you the permit. If you don't use it in 90 days it expires and you have to apply again.
Remember this is the state that Lautenberg comes from. The a$$hole that banned you from ever owning a weapon for a misdeamor offence or domestic dispute .
41 posted on 10/11/2002 5:49:54 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Renegade
"There should be a NATIONAL permit to carry a concealed weapon. "

Second Amendment and your birth cirtificate (DD214 is optional).

42 posted on 10/11/2002 5:51:45 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500
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To: S.O.S121.500
LAWS mean nothing in Zoo Jersey .Look at the Torch debacle. The constitution is not adhered to in this state ( of disrepair).
43 posted on 10/11/2002 5:55:02 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: Renegade
I am not kidding !!!

Good Grief! What in the world are the people of NJ thinking? Man, I'm glad I live somewhere else!

44 posted on 10/11/2002 5:55:11 PM PDT by templar
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To: primeval patriot
Well said.

Thanks!

45 posted on 10/11/2002 6:06:03 PM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: RogueIsland
The stupid dupe can't get it though her thick skull that if her husband and son had been ARMED, they may never have been injured or killed.

46 posted on 10/11/2002 6:06:03 PM PDT by Tony in Hawaii
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To: RogueIsland
“Did he buy his gun at a gun show?” McCarthy asked of the sniper, who experts say is using high-velocity, military-style bullets designed to cause maximum damage to a target. “Did he go through one of the loopholes that we have been trying to close?”

Probably not and Probaly not!

Got a bunch of dad's guns which are really sweet that certainly weren't purchased at gun shows.

Where is your darn "BARF ALERT"?

47 posted on 10/11/2002 6:21:45 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco
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To: Renegade
LOL: NJ BB-gun laws.

We (from rural Ohio) were visiting in-laws in New Joisey a couple of Thanksgivings ago. My (then) 12 year old son brought his BB gun to show his cousins, shoot old cans etc. My (27 year old) brother in law was in amazment. How could such a (kid) have a *eeek* GUN!

Before the weekend was over *all* were having *fun* with the *gun*. Needed more BB's and the only option was to go over the border to Metamorphis [sic] Pennsylvania. That same brother-in-law was *shocked* -- *shocked* I tell you to learn he could actually buy a BB gun!!!!!!! No ID required (probably because he looks well over 18).

When we were driving back to the New Joisey DMZ he also stated he felt like a *criminal* for having a (BB) *gun*. Amazing what mind control can do to folks.

48 posted on 10/11/2002 6:29:37 PM PDT by fone
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To: IronJack
ya know jack, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the killings were a democrat ploy, just like the dockworker strike, used to get their "issues" back on the front burner.

Would demos try to cause an event, or allow it, so that they could gain power... yes, yes they would.

didn't e. l. f. say they were going to start using guns on applicable targets... gas stations pump oil... and people who polute the air??? Public Schools aren't turning out enough little jihadenviros for them either.

So would a democrat do this for political reasons? Weren't all the boston al qaida registered dems?

Why should we be surprised if this new "unibomber" turns out to be a wacko leftist once again?

49 posted on 10/11/2002 6:30:15 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: RogueIsland
I guess she would feel better if the victims were decapitated by a scimitar.
50 posted on 10/11/2002 6:32:52 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: IronJack; Robert_Paulson2; yall
To: IronJack
"ya know jack, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the killings were a democrat ploy,"
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ya know, it wouldn't surprise me to find out that the killings were a terrorist ploy.
Few things would pull this country apart faster than a internal 'war on guns'.

If these types of killings were to become common, - NOTHING will stop the public from demanding further national gun 'regulation'.
- The more prohibitive the ~regulations~ would become, -- the more disrupted our society, - the more likelyhood that unintended consequences would arise.

I doubt that we have any political leaders that are capable of defending the constitution in this type of mania.

51 posted on 10/11/2002 6:54:09 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
Check out this thread...

Mash Here!

52 posted on 10/11/2002 6:58:51 PM PDT by Black Agnes
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To: tpaine
in my world....

democrats = terrorists, and vice versa interchangeable

What other party have we heard of them ever joining.
unibombers, the buffalo five, the portland six, earth firsters, spike in the tree greenies, and elf???

They all are democrat constituencies.

I have passed the point where the mcdermotts and the bin ladens are two sides of the same coin. One with a beard, one without... but both of them stamped from the same "antiamerican" alloy metal...

"dashalium"
53 posted on 10/11/2002 7:01:42 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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To: RogueIsland
McCarthy expected the leadership to bring the industry-protection measure up for a vote Thursday. Now it’s been put off. "We understand it was pulled," she said.

Is it just me, or does it seem to the rest of you like every time a pro-gun law (whether state or federal) that is likely to pass is up for a vote, some nut-job goes on a rampage?

The bill in question would have prevented the hoplophobes from putting firearm manufacturers out of business by filing countless frivolous lawsuits against them.

54 posted on 10/11/2002 7:09:01 PM PDT by BCR #226
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To: RogueIsland
Note that Rep. McCarthy never mentions that the man who killed her husband was an illegal alien.

Note that she never calls for closing that "loophole" called the U.S.-Mexico border.

McCarthy doesn't give a rat's ass about violence - just about guns.

Scandals of antigun politicians - from Manhattan to Kalifornia!

55 posted on 10/11/2002 7:25:55 PM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: Robert_Paulson2
The Democrats don't need to conspire to produce these kinds of events. All they need to do is wait for them to occur then capitalize on them. If it wasn't sniper killings in Maryland, it would be shotgun slayings in Toledo or ambushes in Idaho or drug shootouts in Miami. With the aid of the corrupt media, the Left can sieze any horror and turn it to their advantage.

I would have thought they had learned their lesson on gun control. But in order to install their Marxist state, they must disarm the populace. THAT is why the gun control monster will never sleep. And that is why we must stand our staunch vigil by its crypt.

56 posted on 10/11/2002 8:07:00 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: tpaine
I doubt that we have any political leaders that are capable of defending the constitution in this type of mania.

I doubt we have any political "leaders" at all. Any who are capable -- or INCLINED -- to defend the Constitution under ANY sort of circumstances. We have elected a parliament of whores and cowards. And we're likely to do it again.

57 posted on 10/11/2002 8:08:50 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: IronJack
Likely? -- Hell, - I'd lay odds of a thousand to one that absolutely nothing changes in regard to restoring our constitutional liberties.
58 posted on 10/11/2002 8:14:41 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: RogueIsland
People don't need guns to protect themselves - the police do that (enter imaginary pick of sniper killing victim shooting over the shoulder of cop) that dead person was really protected by the cops being present. An armed citezenry can respond. An unarmed citizenry is a victim wearing a target and an bystander. People who decry the evil of guns are the first ones that, if they had one, would lower it and let the killer shoot you - then defend his rights and claim some moral high ground. We need to tell these gum flapping maggots to shove their personal agendas and wake up or get out.
59 posted on 10/11/2002 8:18:17 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: RogueIsland
Civilian sales of military-style sniper rifles and ammunition are, apparently, all the rage. These may have replaced assault weapons as the latest must-have gadgets. In certain circles, anyway.

Honest to Pete, do these writers have to get an "A" in ignorance before joining a newspaper staff???

The -16 was NEVER and will NEVER BE a 'sniper rifle.'

The sniper rifle of choice is usually a .30 cal, and usually a bolt-action--like a Remington Model 70.

Assault weapons, by definition, are full-auto; although one can obtain them legally, you have to be as pure as Moses to get one, and you will pay a LOT to have it.

Of course, in newspaperland, words mean only what we SAY they mean, no more, no less, until tomorrow, when we will change the definitions.....

60 posted on 10/11/2002 8:35:32 PM PDT by ninenot
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