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Rational Christian look at UFOs and Extraterrestrials.
700 Club ^ | 10/11/02 | Hugh Ross

Posted on 10/11/2002 6:10:44 AM PDT by apackof2

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To: Orual
See above. That's repeating your words.

No, that's answering a post. You came to this thread to use the words of a murdering nutcase as a tool against some here. That's a big hint of the kind of stuff you admire.

Everytime anyone quotes a source, that's a repetition of someone else's words. If I quote Charles Manson, according to your twisted thinking, then I am a "worshipper" of Manson. I have rarely read a sillier statement than that.

If you use his words as an argument or a tool to benefit yourself, then yes it is.

As I said in my original reply to you, you did not understand my post of the tarot card. Just forget about it, it requires a modicum of wit on the reader's part.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Quit going around revering the words of murderers and you won't have to worry about it.

101 posted on 10/11/2002 10:13:05 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: ohioWfan
I had to leave the house for an hour, and #3Fan, I see that you have carried on well with the truth.

Thanks. They think the bible should be written as a book of law, of a scientific textbook. It's not meant for that. It's meant to teach people to know God. If it was written for lawyers or scientists, it would fail in it's mission to teach truth and common sense.

102 posted on 10/11/2002 10:17:06 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Re: #101. Dialing 911: I think you need to come and take away this poster. He's a menace to himself.

But quite amusing in a mad sort of way.

103 posted on 10/11/2002 10:18:09 AM PDT by Orual
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To: Orual
yada yada. Do you ever say anything of substance?
104 posted on 10/11/2002 10:25:26 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
INteresting.
105 posted on 10/11/2002 10:53:17 AM PDT by FourtySeven
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To: apackof2
... Yes, but only if your a free thinker ...
A little too free, I should think. How does one get from "not UFOs" to "AH-HA! It must be demonic activity!"? That's quite a leap, don't you think? To argue that demons are responsible for UFO sightings, contacts etc. is to simply substitute one empirically non-verifiable claim for another, which is a really easy thing to do.

Why demons? Why not wood nymphs or water sprites?
106 posted on 10/11/2002 10:55:19 AM PDT by Asclepius
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To: #3Fan
It should be slowing down faster than that.

Should? Regrettably, life does not conform with the #3fan school of physics. Please explain your "reasoning." [sic]

107 posted on 10/11/2002 10:57:40 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: #3Fan
I've said all my life that the earth is 4 billion years old. The bible doesn't dispute this.

A lot of wackos on FR (and elsewhere) claim the Bible disputes this.

108 posted on 10/11/2002 11:00:11 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: #3Fan
North America and Europe are separated by the Atlantic Ocean. The Atlantic Ocean isn't physically holding the two continents apart. The atmosphere is between the waters of space and the waters of earth, if that's what it's talking about.

That would make sense if there were "waters of space," but there aren't. There may be water in various places in space, but that's hardly the same thing.

109 posted on 10/11/2002 11:01:42 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: #3Fan
For our friend Andy Card - - the oldest book in the bible speaks of the earth, from the vantagepoint of heaven - - now, how do you suppose Job knew this:

Job 26:7 - He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing.

Notice, unlike other religions, the earth is not flat, nor is it on the backs of turtles or elaphants.......
110 posted on 10/11/2002 11:06:11 AM PDT by duckbutt
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To: apackof2
Frankly, I think UFOs are FAR more likely than "demonic involvement". In this article "rational Christian" is totally fallacious. "Irrational fanatic" is more like it.
111 posted on 10/11/2002 11:07:44 AM PDT by jimt
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To: FourtySeven
Interesting.

About Mars? Here's a site that makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, the pictures aren't loading right now. It's written by Hoagland. Admittedly he gets into some wild stuff sometimes, but he was the first to predict almost the exact structure of Europa, and he did it within seconds of seeing the pictures come back from Voyager as he was standing in the control room with the the NASA scientists running the operation, so he does have an intuitive mind for this stuff.

112 posted on 10/11/2002 11:12:35 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: ohioWfan
I also see that you, andy card, are not interested in the truth, but only in your own finite attempts to disprove (using picky and error filled presumptions) what, somewhere inside you, you must surely know to be true.

Of course my efforts are finite, you twit. You folks claim that the Bible is the unerring word of a supernatural being. In reality, its just a religious tract, no more inherently truthful than the Bhagavad Gita or the Koran. And what better way to demonstrate that its a creation of bored men and not gods, than to show that its chock full of errors, inconsistencies and falsitudes?

There is nothing in it that is not truth, because it is God's word.

You're telling me that you really believe that rabbits chew their cud?

If you see it as false, it is because you are not able to see because of your own spiritual condition.

Knowledge of the mechanics of rabbits' digestive system is hardly dependent on spiritual enlightenment.

If you are right, and the Bible is not true, we, who believe it are fools, but our future and our fate will be unaffected. If we are right, and the Bible is true, you will spend eternity in horrible punishment because you have scoffed at the Creator, and not accepted the redeeming Love of His Son, Jesus Christ.

This is the worst argument I've ever read. You're saying that I should start believing in your religion because its safer if it should turn out that your beliefs are correct? What happens if the "One, True Religion" should turn out to be Sikhism, Islam, or Zoroastrianism? There are literally thousands of religions in the world, and if we follow your approach and pick the one least likely to let us wind up in Hell or Hades or whatever, the odds of any particular one being "True" are infintissimally small.

only a spiritual awakening to a God who is at this moment, reaching out to you in love.

Zeus? Ankhenaten? Baal?

I pray, for your sake, that it is sooner.....rather than later.

Nonsense, you're not praying for my sake. But thanks for condescending, anyway.

113 posted on 10/11/2002 11:18:35 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card; #3Fan
The word for day in the first chapter of Genesis refers to a 24 hour period. If taken literally, the earth was created in 6 days, and the earth is only 10,000 years old, or thereabouts.

If you believe in a universal flood, and the impact that the waters from above and below caused, you can see that what 'scientists' claim was caused by billions of years of evolution, could indeed have occurred in a 40 day flood. The eruption of Mt. St. Helen's is evidence of that. What occurred there in a few hours from the water and lava flow duplicates the geologic strata of the Grand Canyon......which 'scientists' claim took millions of years to form (and although credible scientists know that it is impossible to have happened, our 'educational' institutions still proclaim that erosion caused it to form).

The point is, if you believe in an Omnipotent God, creation in 6 days would not have been difficult. It is perfectly reasonable then, (and not the thought of 'wackos') to believe in a young earth, especially when you know that the so-called dating methods of scientists are filled with error and assumption. (It also is possible to believe that the Creation story is allegorical, and the earth is indeed older than the chronological years listed in Scripture).

However, you have to have a whole lot of faith to believe the ridiculous claims of evolutionists. I prefer to have faith in the Creator, and the truth of HIS word.

114 posted on 10/11/2002 11:19:25 AM PDT by ohioWfan
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To: duckbutt
Notice, unlike other religions, the earth is not flat, nor is it on the backs of turtles or elaphants.......

Yet somehow, God still foolishly holds the Sun still, when he really means to hold the Earth still. What a maroon!

115 posted on 10/11/2002 11:20:17 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: ohioWfan
The word for day in the first chapter of Genesis refers to a 24 hour period. If taken literally, the earth was created in 6 days, and the earth is only 10,000 years old, or thereabouts.

I thought it was created in 4000 BC, which would make the earth only six thousand years old. Explain the discrepency. Or do you not take the Bible literally?

If you believe in a universal flood, and the impact that the waters from above and below caused, you can see that what 'scientists' claim was caused by billions of years of evolution, could indeed have occurred in a 40 day flood.

No, not really. There is no evidence whatsoever for a global flood, and all evidence you would expect to find is noticeably absent. Just as one example (and I'd be happy to post many more), Greenland ice cores go back more than 40,000 years. How come there isn't any evidence of the sediment, salinity change, etc. that you'd expect to find after a flood?

It is perfectly reasonable then

Don't worry. Nothing you have posted has been tarnished by reason.

especially when you know that the so-called dating methods of scientists are filled with error and assumption.

Care to back up any of your claims? Or should I just take them on faith? (snicker)

116 posted on 10/11/2002 11:34:04 AM PDT by andy_card
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To: andy_card
Should? Regrettably, life does not conform with the #3fan school of physics. Please explain your "reasoning." [sic]

The friction from the tides of the moon and sun, the atmosphere, and the internal magma should add up to more than a millisecond every hundred years as is now observed.

117 posted on 10/11/2002 11:41:01 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: andy_card
A lot of wackos on FR (and elsewhere) claim the Bible disputes this.

They're making the same mistake as you, they don't realize the bible is meant to show a person how to know God, and it uses parables to do so.

118 posted on 10/11/2002 11:42:51 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: andy_card
That would make sense if there were "waters of space," but there aren't. There may be water in various places in space, but that's hardly the same thing.

The atmosphere is between us and space. Simple, really, if that's what it means.

119 posted on 10/11/2002 11:44:10 AM PDT by #3Fan
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To: duckbutt
Job 26:7 - He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the earth upon nothing. Notice, unlike other religions, the earth is not flat, nor is it on the backs of turtles or elaphants

LOL True.

120 posted on 10/11/2002 11:45:09 AM PDT by #3Fan
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