BOXCUTTER PASSENGER DEPORTED

New York Post ^ | 10/11/02 | AP

[kattracks]

October 11, 2002 -- CAMDEN, N.J. - A Bulgarian law student who attempted to board a plane in Atlantic City last month with two boxcutters and scissors pleaded guilty yesterday to a federal charge and will leave the country.

Nikolay Dzhonev, 21, pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of knowingly and willfully violating airport rules. Under a plea agreement with prosecutors, he was sentenced to five years' probation and ordered to leave the country.

[SpaceBar]

How does he do five years probation and get expelled from the country. Are these concurrent or do we spend money for five years with a probation officer and all that crap and then boot him? Does he check in from his flat somewhere in Bulgaria? I just don't get it.

[csvset]

He'll probably sneak back into the states.

[weegee]

Again I ask, didn't he have a suitcase he could have thrown these items into? It was in his carryon after all.

[gridlock]

Testing...123...Testing...123

[dennisw]

How does he do five years probation and get expelled from the country. Are these concurrent or do we spend money for five years with a probation officer and all that crap and then boot him? Does he check in from his flat somewhere in Bulgaria? I just don't get it.
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This means if he is caught entering the United States he will have violated his terms of probation and will be put in prison.

[FreedomPoster]

This is absurd. This guy was clearly at least testing airline security, if not about to undertake some evil action, and we place him on probation? And send him back home so he can scheme with his handlers!? We are such idiots.

[marktwain]

You are right. It is absurd to deport someone for carrying boxcutters aboard an aircraft. The idea of banning anything with an edge is absurd. This is political correctness gone insane. 9-11 didn't happen because hijackers carried boxcutters aboard an aircraft. It happened because we followed the victim compliance policy: Don't resist, give them what they want, leave it up to the Authorities.

A 9-11 type attack can not happen again because passengers and crew will not allow it to happen. This guy wasn't trying to sneak the items aboard. If you read the case, it is clear that he just didn't think about them because they are such innoculous items. Anyone who wants to can sneak cutting implements aboard an aircraft. The current rules are just image, all for show, and have no real security effect. Their ownly real effect is to make Americans all the more cowed and willing to accept higher levels of official harrassment.

[FreedomPoster]

You obviously don't know much about this case, or there is another conclusion to be drawn that I am too polite to post. This guy had very carefully concealed the sharp items inside toiletries (IIRC it was a liquid soap bottle and a deodorant bottle, or something like that).

This wasn't a case of a clueless fool who doesn't fly much carrying items onboard that he thought were innocuous. It wasn't a case of someone who unknowingly left an item in a carryon bag that gets daily use for some other purpose, and had a prohibited item in it. This guy knew exactly what he was doing, and that doing it was prohibited.

[marktwain]

You obviously don't know much about this case, or there is another conclusion to be drawn that I am too polite to post. This guy had very carefully concealed the sharp items inside toiletries (IIRC it was a liquid soap bottle and a deodorant bottle, or something like that).

Yes, the initial reports implied exactly what you are saying. As I recall, they said the scissors were imbedded in a bar of soap. The next report that I read said, to effect, Oh, sorry, we admit that the scissors were not in the soap and the box cutters were just in the toilet case with the other stuff. In other words, there was not attempt to conceal the items.

I have become very skeptical of what I read in these cases. Most of the time, it is the "Authorities" who the reporters get their story from, and they have a vested interest in making the report look as bad as they can. If you watch this with gun cases, you will see what I mean very soon and very clearly. Unfortunately, by the time the truth comes out, most people have already been mislead, and the follow up articles are buried on the inside page somewhere.

[ASA Vet]

most people have already been mislead,

It's easy to mislead sheeple who wish to be.

[nicmarlo]

ping; is this it?