Prosecutors Downplay Racial Element in Kansas Murder Trial

CNSNEWS.com ^ | 10/10/02 | Jim Burns

[republicman]

Well we wouldn't know because the DEMOCRAT (curious since we are always told of the great concern that DEMOCRATS have for the NEED for hate crime laws) DA refused to investigate whether it was racially motivated

http://www.newnation.org/Archives/NNN-wichita-press-08.html

http://www.newnation.org/Archives/NNN-wichita-press-09.html

[republicman]

---Or maybe they could work for passage of a hate crime statute in Kansas......---

Ha are you kidding, like the DEMOCRAT DA would ever use it when white people are the victims of hate crimes.

Oh palllllease!

Might as well work for campaign finance reform and after its passed watch democrats try and steal every election.

[junta]

FYI one of the five triggers for a Fed. hate crime investigation is the use of excessive force in the committing of a crime. I think this case fits the bill.

[RAT Patrol]

Foulston noted that the state of Kansas does not have a hate crime statute. Without a statute I don't think she can charge them. Does anyone here think Kansas needs a hate crimes statute? I certainly don't.

Give 'em the death penalty, but for murder, rape and robbery, not thought!

[Psycho Francis]

Does it, indeed.

How does one enhance the death penalty?

...nor investigating whether there was racial bias involved which under Kansas law enhances penalties....

[Psycho Francis]

Yes.

Ha are you kidding...

[republicman]

Looking around here are the two e-mail addresses I found

da@feist.com

foulston@sedgwich.gov

I am writing her now, I hope others will do the same.

[Psycho Francis]

Should we start the letters with something like:

Although we understand that you are now at trial, busy with the prosecution of this heinous crime, please take time away from that to.......?

[republicman]

My letter to Nola Foulston

Ms. Foulston you have said that in the case of the two Carr brothers that there is no hate crime statute,

However your party, the democrat party and its organizations used the deaths of Matthew Shepard and James Byrd as rallying cries for the NEED for hate crime laws. So why in an equally, perhaps more heinous murder of several whites, is there no rallying cry for hate crime enhancements? Has your party, the democratic party, dropped its advocacy for the existence of such laws?

And as I understand it there IS an enhancement in the state of Kansas for bias crimes during the penalty phase. When this was posed to you, your response was that it is a death penalty case so there is no need. Perhaps, but wasn't the dragging death of James Byrd a death penalty case as well? Yet again, from the democratic party, your party, we heard all about the need for hate crime enhancements in Texas even so. Has your party, dropped its advocacy for the enforcement of hate crime enhancements?

Hmm probably not. Your party has made hate crime laws a big part of their agenda, yet, you as a democrat, have refused to investigate racial animus, and sealed records (which many have speculated reveals the racial animus of the defendants)

Do you have an explanation for this remarkably contradictory behavior? If so I would like to hear it

Sincerely,

[republicman]

---How does one enhance the death penalty?---

I don't know. WHy don't you ask all the liberals that said there was a need for hate crime enhancement in the DEATH PENALTY dragging case of James Byrd Jr.?

[Black Agnes]

I'm not sure I buy the hate crime element either. It would seem these were opportunistic evil killers. We will see what comes out in trial. The whole 'hate crime' mantra is just stupid...what exactly would a 'love crime' be? 'Would you rather they was pushed out of windows little girl?' to quote Archie bunker on gun control...Equality before the law *was* one of the foundations of our legal system. The 'hate crime' legislation debunks that. I'm not comfortable with that. If the victims are tortured before death, then prosecute for that too, there's no way to get in the brain of killers to determine *why* they did something. Just get them for everything they *did* do to the victims. *sigh* Wish I were older as I don't like where this country is headed longterm.

[Psycho Francis]

As I suspected..... ;>)

I don't know.

Sorry, don't know any. I'll stick with asking you why you think there needs to be a hate-crime enhancement for this particular crime........

WHy don't you ask all the liberals that said there was a need for hate crime enhancement in the DEATH PENALTY dragging case of James Byrd Jr.?

[republicman]

---Should we start the letters with something like:

Although we understand that you are now at trial, busy with the prosecution of this heinous crime, please take time away from that to.......?--


Hmm. No, How about starting the letter saying, "If you will not prosecute lawbreakers equally, regardless of race, you have no business being the DA."

I, for one, am going to find out who her opponent is in the next election and send them a check.

[republicman]

I guess you don't get it do you?

Most of us disagree with the concept of hate crimes. But if there is to be such a thing, then they must exist in cases where blacks attack whites as well as whites attacking blacks.

[Conagher]

I agree. While hate crimes are prima facie absurd, they, just as all other laws, ought to be applied equally to all. What's good for the goose ought to be good for the gander.

[republicman]

Psycho Francis signed up 2002-10-01.

Why, Francis, did no one at Democrats.com know the answer?

[Psycho Francis]

Dead is dead, baby. Dead is dead....

Not to be confused with:

Zed's dead, baby. Zed's dead.

Hmm. No, How about starting the letter saying, "If you will not prosecute lawbreakers equally, regardless of race, you have no business being the DA."

[Black Agnes]

Of course I 'get it'. Instead of consigning ourselves to defeat on the PC altar of 'hate crime' terminology I say we fight to eliminate the terminology from our dialect. It's ridiculous really. People should be tried for what they actually *do* when they commit a crime, not for what they may or may not have been thinking when they committed it. We have to stop playing the game of the left.

We also have to do more to get our side out in the media. The fact that this case hasn't gotten nationwide attention is despicable. I say if these guys are for some reason acquitted we send them to Peter jenning's and/or Dan Rather's neighborhood. 'Good huntin' in there boys...have at it...' What's good for the goose is *indeed* good for the gander.

[Psycho Francis]

republicman signed up 2002-07-12

Sounds like you know the folks, perhaps you should go ask them...

[republicman]

--Dead is dead, baby. Dead is dead....--

According to this

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/764357/posts

"The brothers, 24-year-old Reginald and 22-year-old Jonathan, face 113 criminal counts..."

If dead is dead, then why all those counts? I bet less than half of those 113 would have been enough for the death penalty. Why not stop counting counts when you get high enough for the death penalty and stop there?