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To: Dr Warmoose
So the round itself must also be subsonic or the muzzle suppressor is useless,

Not nescessarily. A suppressed 223 gives a very low local report (I've heard them. you won't even need hearing protection with most of them). The bullet does make the sonic crack you mention, but that is usually useless in pinpointing the direction and range of the shot without the boom of the muzzle source. The advantage of suppression on rifles (any caliber) is that you both lessen the range in which the shot can be clearly heard and it's directionality in crowded conditions. That's why they make rifle suppressors. Pistols, which most people think of when suppression is mentioned, can be made almost silent (pistol caliber rifles and SMG's also). I also doubt that supression is being used, I'm just speculating about possibilities.

... our terot card shooter certainly is not following the standard MO ...

That's what I've been thinking also. The authorities claim the bullet ties the weapons together, but they also claim the bullets are highly fragmented. It doesn't make sense to me unless they want to play down the copy cat angle for some reason.

I don't get the media's impression that it is a domestic para-military op - ...

A local TV station in Denver this evening did a piece about how the shots being made are not nescessarily highly skilled (my contention all along, which is why I am so interested in ranges). They made the point that millions of people could do this. They had a reporter firing 100 yard target shots after 5 minutes of instruction that duplicated the snipers skill. It was the first time he had ever fired any gun (maybe we have a new member of the shooting sports now?). I have been wondering all along why the authoriteis keep referring to the sniper as a skilled shooter since I wouldn't consider these shots, if made from 100 or 150 yards with any reasonably good rifle, to be particularly skilled. The stealth of the shooter, on the other hand, interests me.

15 posted on 10/10/2002 8:44:13 PM PDT by templar
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To: templar
I don't want to sound contentious, but at what ranges are you willing to be impressed?

(Maybe the media will say convey to the sniper: "He can't shoot that far, hey, our own reporter with a few minutes training could have pulled that off")

Did the reporter try shooting moving targets?

The police snipers rarely sight in anything over 100 yards, and they regularly use 10x optics on a .308.

I do agree with you that we shouldn't be heralding this person as Washington DC's Carlos Hathcock.
17 posted on 10/12/2002 7:26:25 AM PDT by Dr Warmoose
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