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Also conservatives rely too much on facts and logic. They don't work on democrats nearly as well as feelings.

I had a conversation with a dem 2 nights ago. She objected to the new bumper sticker I put on my car "Proud member of the vast right wing conspiracy." I explained Hilary Clinton came up with that phrase. She credited Clinton with welfare reform and cited the number of people she knew personally that had benefited from it. She's a former revenue specialist for FL, collecting payments from dads to single mothers.

I explained how Clinton had vetoed that same legislation over and over again, and that it came from the Republican Revolution. She did not beleive me. I told her we could not have a discussion until she read the passage in Newt's book published in 1995- "To Renew America" where he outlines everything she liked about the reform, that the Impeached Rapist did not sign 'til his second term.

She left my house in a snit. She feels that she is a very "intuitive" person, and she intuitively knows that I must be wrong. She told me Clinton had never been impeached. Not only that, but she doesn't want to have to try to keep up with current events- not that her admitted ignorance will keep her out of the voting booth. And that my use of facts to back up my argument robbed me of my "Joi de Vivre" (She has a B.A. from Vanderbilt). I was suddenly just another angry Republican to her.

You know, the McBride-Rossin debate was on tonight, and Rossin kept using the phrase- we must not be living in the same state...and it's true. I live in Florida and dems live in a state of denial...of reality.

I know Rush talks to these people to be provokative but truly- except for entertainment value "Only a fool argues with a fool."

I explained how Clinton had vetoed that same legislation (welfare reform) over and over again.

Clinton finally signed on to welfare reform only when the political windsock held by Carville and his ilk dictated that this was a popular position among the American people. When it was successful, of course he took all the credit for it. And his supporters gave him all the credit for it. I guess Hillary will get credit for a successful war effort in Iraq, now that she's signed on in favor of it (after ten million focus groups and polls told her which side of the question to be on.) Can democrats spell "core values." I didn't think so.

Sound bites. I think most liberals and a huge chunk of the general population, including your dem friend respond to sound bites. It matters not if these slogans are created by the media or the James Carville's of the left. The Dems who form policy know this, which explains their use of "talking points" for all who go before the media. To ask more of them would have them choose listening to the President rather than watching the Fear Factor. One is easy and requires no intellectual or moral discernment. If the sound bite resonants with them, they need no facts or logic to back up their "feeling". In fact, a lot of liberals just get angrier and louder when you try to discuss facts and logic with them. Clinton and his enablers were and are the masters of the sound bite. Conservatives are not very well adept at using them but I think we could get a lot better at it, even though it would be difficult because we do not have control of the mainstream media.