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Wichita Case of Black Racist Crime Survivor's testimony horrifies courtroom
The Wichita Eagle ^ | Wed, Oct. 09, 2002 | RON SYLVESTER

Posted on 10/10/2002 9:08:59 AM PDT by GaryMontana

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To: Deb
Did ya hear me?
 
;^)

81 posted on 10/10/2002 5:00:02 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: AnnaZ
You bet! I'm there.
82 posted on 10/10/2002 5:01:41 PM PDT by Deb
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To: Deb
LOL!!!
 
(I couldn't resist.)

83 posted on 10/10/2002 5:07:55 PM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: Conagher
Willingly at the barrel of a gun? That's some awful good ganja you've got there. Go grab a dictionary when you come back down and tell me what the word "willingly" means. If you had read the entire story before shooting your wad you'd have realized that they were led out ostensibly to be robbed, which is not all that uncommon. All you're doing is blaming the victims. It's boorish, simplistic, condescending and just plain wrong. Go fling your feces somewhere else. By the way, I'd bet my bottom dollar you'd fare no better in this situation, your blusterish self-aggrandizement notwithstanding

For your information, I have been closely following this story for 2 years now, I did not just learn about it like you did.

You are the one talking about "blaming the victims", I never mentioned any such words.

Each one of us makes a decision on how to live, and whether or not we will ever protect ourselves if and when these kinds of situations come up. Those that willingly and freely choose to decide to not defend themselves, who choose to not own or carry a gun, do so deliberately.

To say that at the very last minute of your life, just after you were forced to commit sodomy and just before you were about to be murdered, you wish you had a gun, and that you now would like the opportunity to stop what is about to be done to you, is foolish, stupid, and pitiful. To live in a world populated by these types of criminals, to live in a world full of Ted Bundys and to consiously and deliberately take no measures at all to prevent the same kind of thing from happening to you, is your choice, but dont come crying to me.

You are free to decide to not defend yourself, but dont complain when I dont sit and whine with you about the terrible things that bad people do to others.

Grow up, and live with YOUR the personal life decisions that YOU make.

If you dont want to carry insurance, if you dont save money, if you dont keep a loaded gun handy, if you dont wear your seatbelt, that is up to you, but quit trying to cry on my shoulder and get my sympathy for YOUR poor and stupid decisions.

You yourself have to take responsiblity for yourself and for the defense of yourself,or accept whatever happens to you without crying to others for sympathy, and pity because you were so defenseless and could not do anything to stop it. You were too terrified and afraid to rush these murderers and have a fighting chance to live.

I got news for you, there are more bad people out there, and these kinds of things will happen again, and they may happen to you, they will happen to someone. If you continue to live defenseless, go ahead, but dont plead for us to cry with you.

You just lost your last dollar, I carry a gun, and also keep them handy in my home. I believe I would fare quite well. My kinds of people would not be taken to a deserted park to be sodomized. We would fight. My kinds of people shoot those kinds of scum.

You truely live in a fairy tale land if you think these evil criminals were going to be "nicer" to the vicitms once they got them in a deserted isolated place. Anybody else that agrees with you, remains unarmed, and goes with people like these murderers to be sodomized, should not expect to be treated any better than these young people were.

84 posted on 10/10/2002 6:00:04 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: GaryMontana; KS Flyover
Well I couldn't take it any more no one knows about this I've been following this for about 2 years,and I had enough
So I did the best I could do and did a cut and paste of all of
KS Flyovers articles (thanks KS) and the original story I read about this evil act
and mailed it too every one in my address book

I'm sure I'll be vilified but OH Well,
the sheeple needs to know.
85 posted on 10/10/2002 6:24:17 PM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: Conagher
Easy there. There are plenty of firearms in Kansas and there have been for 150 years (ever heard of Dodge City?).

Yes,I have heard of Dodge City, and Witchita, parts of my family settled Kansas in the 1860's, Newton, Ellsworth, etc . and I also had family relatives that lived down the road next to the Earp brothers parents homestead between Newton and Witchita. My great grandaddy was personal friends and neighbors with the Earp and Masterson families.

Wasnt Dodge City one of the very first cities in the United States where law abiding citizens allowed themselves to be willingly disarmed by gun control?

You need to learn more about the history of Kansas, and the early history of gun control and the first citizens who gave up their rights of self defense.

91 posted on 10/10/2002 6:31:06 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: GaryMontana
Jackson, Sharpton, et al........as you call them...........are despicable, lowlife, race-pimping pricks. They won't say a word. You see, black-on-white crime is fine in their world.

These animals need to be skinned alive........slowly.

Then, after we're done with Jackson and Sharpton.......these perps need to be skinned alive.......and then peeled apart, muscle by muscle.

94 posted on 10/10/2002 6:35:00 PM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Squantos
"Thanks for the info...... Is that up behind Beachcraft ? Rock & Kellog I think ? Been a few years , sorry for my poor memory........"

Actually that is due north of what was then Beachcraft (now Raytheon aircraft). I am under the impression that they lived in that general vicinity too. Back in the 70s, this area would have been empty fields between Wichita and Andover.
95 posted on 10/10/2002 6:37:02 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Skywalk
so your saying....so your saying.... so your saying....
96 posted on 10/10/2002 6:41:34 PM PDT by Rightly Biased
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To: Skywalk
Thanks for your views. If you have followed this story, you will learn that there were times when only one of the men was with the victims, and it would have been an easy rush, to get the lone man there who was also not paying that much attention to the young people there, because he was also searching and looking into things, his attention was not on the people he was holding. It was a small apartment, and they were close enough to rush the lone gunman while his accomplice was away. I guess that they could have taken the lone man, got his gun, and then they would have been armed AND outnumbered the other before the other came back.

They also could have all run away screaming in different directions when they were walking in the lot going to the car. They could have driven the car into another car and crashed on the highway, etc. etc.

One of them could have jumped thru and into the window of their neighbors apartment as they were walking outside to the car,

There were other opportunities also to either escape, or refuse to be taken away from the apartment complex.

These young people were completely trusting of the murderers and had no intention, nor inclination , of fighting back, of running away, or of just in general of being prepared to live in this world.

97 posted on 10/10/2002 6:41:58 PM PDT by waterstraat
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