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Wichita Case of Black Racist Crime Survivor's testimony horrifies courtroom
The Wichita Eagle ^ | Wed, Oct. 09, 2002 | RON SYLVESTER

Posted on 10/10/2002 9:08:59 AM PDT by GaryMontana

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To: waterstraat
For your information, I have been closely following this story for 2 years now, I did not just learn about it like you did.

For your information, I'm from Wichita. Go ahead and take that foot out of your mouth now.

You are the one talking about "blaming the victims", I never mentioned any such words.

You are condemning them for somehow letting themselves be violated. If that's not blaming the victim then what exactly is it?

The rest of your post is just hot air. I'll let you continue to pat yourself on your back as long as it makes you feel good.

If you are at all interested, what you are doing is known as "downward social comparason." You have chosen a group, criticized them and thereby boosted your own ego in the process. Your outspokenness about how "stupid" these victims are and how you would kill anyone who tried to make you do this thirty times over is merely ego-boosting. It speaks volumes on how low your self-image is, but that's the extent of the relevance of your comments.

141 posted on 10/11/2002 8:31:37 AM PDT by Conagher
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To: waterstraat
You need to learn more about the history of Kansas, and the early history of gun control and the first citizens who gave up their rights of self defense.

You need to learn to spell W I C H I T A.

142 posted on 10/11/2002 8:36:50 AM PDT by Conagher
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To: Skywalk; waterstraat
Interesting how many Monday-morning quarterbacks come out of the woodwork feeling the need to publicly reassure themselves that they are somehow invincible.
143 posted on 10/11/2002 8:39:43 AM PDT by Conagher
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To: GaryMontana
I doubt this one will ever see the light of day as a "hate crime."
144 posted on 10/11/2002 8:41:19 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Myself and a few other freepers sent such e-mails when this was reported a few days after it happened . I sent one to local papers and FOX which basicly said the same thing. Personally I don't and won't be taken in by the race baiting POS Jesse, Calypso Louie, Sharptons of the world be they on either side of the fence.

The trash that committed this crime needs to be put down like the animals they are ...black , white , brown or yellow........hang the SOB's in public as a warning to all who think that what they did was kewl......regardless of all gankin gankin, bling bling bullsh*t excuses they and their supporters come up with.......then feed their carcasses to the pigs and serve the bacon at the next socialist demonrat whine convention on a cracker (ooops).

Stay Safe & Regards from the Panhandle :o)

145 posted on 10/11/2002 9:13:52 AM PDT by Squantos
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To: Destructor
I agree. The sad thing is, I think this crime WAS definitely racially motivated (and robbery was APPARENTLY not their only objective). The survivor testified that one of the sicko thugs asked her is she had ever had sex with a black man before and then asked her if she liked it. One of the sicko thugs was reported to have been wearing a fubu (for us, by us) shirt. This is the one of the most horrific crimes I have ever heard of and the media's refusal to report it is beyond shameful. The details of this crime are horrifically evil. I hope the SCUM brothers rot in hell.

As for those saying that it was 5 to 2 and that they should have defended themselves, easy for you to say SITTING BEHIND YOUR KEYBOARD!! Just think how the survivor would feel if she read you words. Do you think a day does not go by that she does not think about what they should of/could of/would of done differently?!? The victims were all locked in the closet and then brought out one or two at a time for the SCUM brothers to perform their sick, demented sexually perverse activities. Whenever they refused to coroporate they were beat with a golf club or the gun, had the gun held to their head, or were the girls were threatened with even worse, etc.

I do not sleep as well at night knowing the evil of these crimes. I pray that the survivor will one day know peace again, although I doubt that is possible.

146 posted on 10/11/2002 9:22:37 AM PDT by KansasGirl
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To: KansasGirl
Self defense is probably the best reason for exercising your Second Amendment Rights! My house is safe, and I sleep very well.
147 posted on 10/11/2002 9:43:45 AM PDT by Destructor
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To: dennisw

"Hate-crime" legislation needs to be overturned.

Mainstream media needs to be raked over the coals and publicly discredited for their abominable double standard in reporting.

The Carr brothers, and all other brutal, cold-blooded murderers and rapists  -- regardless of color -- need to be put down quickly, just like must be done with the rabid animals such barbarians more closely resemble.


148 posted on 10/11/2002 10:18:21 AM PDT by AnnaZ
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To: waterstraat
Read up, bright boy.

It seems you're the one in need of some education on Kansas history. When Wyatt Earp came in from Witchita [sic] he drew a line bisecting town. Only a part of the town was restricted from possessing handguns. It was the "red light district" where cowboys (not residents of the town) were not allowed to carry guns.

Additionally, Wyatt Earp's parents never had a homestead anywhere in Kansas. He was born in Illinois, lived at one time or another in Kentucky, Iowa, California and Missouri, but never in Kansas. I happen to be quite familiar with the area between Newton and Wichita, and I've never heard of any such Earp homestead.

You're not too bright, are you?

149 posted on 10/11/2002 2:49:25 PM PDT by Conagher
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To: Conagher
Well isn't that just GREAT. All these years I believed the story that Wyatt Earp's parents had a home in the Fort Scott area. Bummer.
151 posted on 10/11/2002 5:38:13 PM PDT by I. Ben Hurt
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To: Conagher
Additionally, Wyatt Earp's parents never had a homestead anywhere in Kansas. He was born in Illinois, lived at one time or another in Kentucky, Iowa, California and Missouri, but never in Kansas. I happen to be quite familiar with the area between Newton and Wichita, and I've never heard of any such Earp homestead.

If you are quite familiar with the area, then you should have pointed out that I meant to say the Masterson homestead. The Mastersons and Earps were friends, and we certainly were their neighbors. I might have misspoke, I meant to say the Masterson homestead, his parents, I was thinking of, instead of the Earp parents. I really dont care if it was the Earps or the Masterson family that we lived next to. I do know it was the parents of either Masterson or Earp, and it was just a few directly north of Wichita, before you get into Newton. I saw where they lived, and where we lived. I am sure if you check with the local genealogical society out there, they can tell you exactly where their old homestead was.

Furthermore, of course he was not "born" in Kansas, I did not say that, we were all born elsewhere, Illinois, Missouri, etc, and not in Kansas, and we all moved there to Kansas in the 1860's and 1870's.

My family left when Kansas got too liberal, apparently you are not too bright to not have known I meant to say Masterson, and you are also not to bright to live in a state that is against allowing its citizens carrying guns to protect themselves against criminals like the ones in this story.

Kansas is YOUR state, YOU should learn its history - the rest of us dont really give much thought about Kansas anymore.

152 posted on 10/11/2002 7:30:18 PM PDT by waterstraat
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To: IronJack
This crime is known as the Wichita Horror. Odd how few people know that. Odd how this hasn't made the front page. Odd how a sadistic burglary/rape/sodomy/robbery/execution story is of no interest to the media.

Yes, indeed, isn't it odd. My, my. I wonder why that is? It's as if any voice raised is soon silenced.

153 posted on 10/11/2002 7:36:20 PM PDT by neutrino
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To: neutrino
I wonder why that is?

I'm sure it's because the torture/rape/murders of four white suburbanites by two inner-city animals is ecliped by far more important news. Like Rosie O'Donnell's new weight-loss program or Demi Moore's breast implants.

Oh, and George Bush's poor handling of the economy.

154 posted on 10/11/2002 8:11:44 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: Boxsford
"I think you are brave to raise your point. But, how would anyone, man or woman, defend themselves against armed thugs?"

By being armed themselves, by taking all precautions possible to prevent armed thugs from taking them by surprise, by having themselves mentally and physically prepared to fight back with their bare hands if necessary, and by be adamant about not being a victim.

I'm fortunate in that I'm much larger (6-3, 260) and stronger than most people, but I don't take it for granted. The surest way to be attacked, whether as a person or a nation, is to relax and think you're so strong no one in their right mind will take you on. Someone always will. Therefore, you have to be of the mindset that you'd rather die than be victimized. You have to be tough, and unfortunately most Americans these days are not even close.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

155 posted on 10/11/2002 8:24:15 PM PDT by wku man
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To: YankeeReb
You are right. It is sick!
156 posted on 10/11/2002 10:15:26 PM PDT by GaryMontana
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To: waterstraat
I'm sorry, but I can't be responsible for your inability to adequately express yourself. I guess I'm not quite bright enough to read your mind, but that doesn't really bother me as it is quite apparent that your mind would be quite uninteresting.

Speaking of bright, you apparently aren't bright enough to check people's profiles. I do not now live in Kansas either.

Incidentally, if you are so apothetic regarding what goes on in Kansas, why do you follow the news there and post so extensively your incredibly shallow opinions of the goings-on in Kansas?

To what state did your family flee, by the way?

157 posted on 10/11/2002 11:34:12 PM PDT by Conagher
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To: wku man
I keep thinking of different circumstances where I'd be put in a position of 'victim'. I mean in my house I'd not have a gun holstered to my hip. Maybe I couldn't get to it. So, you are right. An attitude and apptitude to fight would be called for. I like your thought about being 'adamant about not being a victim'.
158 posted on 10/12/2002 7:21:19 AM PDT by Boxsford
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To: Boxsford
"An attitude and apptitude to fight would be called for."

Yes, ma'am! You fight with whatever you can get your hands on, even if it's just your fingernails, fists, feet, teeth, whatever. Even if it's a foregone conclusion that you'll lose, you never give up. It's also a good idea to have God in your corner, but judging from your profile page, you already do.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

159 posted on 10/13/2002 5:27:19 PM PDT by wku man
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