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To: pabianice
I am a srong proponent of the 2nd ammendment. But I must confess, I don't understand why this law is an infrigment on one's rights and why people are against it. Now, I am well aware that criminals would not care about such a law, as gun laws in no way deter them, but as a gun owner, how would this law violate my rights? Am I missing something?
6 posted on 10/10/2002 7:33:23 AM PDT by PaulJ
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To: PaulJ
I guess if you think you dont have a right to privacy and as an American citizen who owns firearms that you should be placed on a list and tracked, then its not an infrigement on your rights.

Never mind that attempting such a system would be a multi-billion dollar boondoggle that would fail miserably.

And Maryland already has such a system. Seems the shooter should have been identified and caught by now.

10 posted on 10/10/2002 7:36:09 AM PDT by Phantom Lord
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To: PaulJ
The markings that a gun leaves on brass changes greatly over time, especially in firearms that are taken apart, cleaned, and/or shot alot. Those markings on such a gun would be pretty much useless after a few hundred rounds. I saw one test done years ago in Isreal on this exact thing and the forensic guy IDed 3 out of 10 cases to be from the same gun, turned out that every case came from a different gun.
12 posted on 10/10/2002 7:41:40 AM PDT by SirFishalot
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To: PaulJ
If a came and stole your entire Bologna you'd be angry. If I stole it one slice at a time you wouldn't notice it until it was gone. Ballistic fingerprinting is just another slice.
14 posted on 10/10/2002 7:47:35 AM PDT by cork
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To: PaulJ
Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing 'something'.

Registration, IN ANY FORM, be it ballistic 'fingerprinting' or any other such nonsense will give power to the state to track you. It also means when they 'outlaw by decree' whatever guns you have 'fingerprinted' they will just knock on your door(in lieu of kicking it in) and confiscate them. Can't happen here? Look at California, first a ban on manufacture of military style weapons, then a registration of those in state, then a total outlaw of them, 'criminal by decree'.

If stolen and used in a crime, you will be held accountable, sell it and that sale will be tracked, the cost of the system would be close to $5000 a shell casing, and guess who pays for that?

Yeah, you're missing something..... A LOT.

16 posted on 10/10/2002 7:49:38 AM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: PaulJ
This red herring costs time and money, $50+/weapon, is actually ineffective as markings="finger print" changes with normal use especially if any parts are repaired, swapped, are altered. So annual "finger printing" at $50+/year? Will it be a crime if one possesses a registered arm with an out-of-spec "finger print"? Guilty until proven innocent? I expect so.

We have learned nothing if we don't recognize that these obstructions are simply infringments. Adding costs and layers of officious crap (critical reports and paperwork), under penealty of law, is the fascists' M.O. Registration by any means is their only hope of confiscation.

No one will be safer, but the powerful will become more powerful.
21 posted on 10/10/2002 8:03:09 AM PDT by SevenDaysInMay
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To: PaulJ
I think you've gotten a lot of great responses to your question about tracking firearms. NOTE: The brady bunch WILL NOT tell you the weaknesses of her ideas..EVER.

To quote myself:

There is a difference between Gun Control, and Firearm legislation. Gun control regulates the manufacturing of firearms, (rifles, sem-automatics handguns etc) and ammunition. Firearm legislation/Laws limit your rights..or expands them. They create restrictions on what you can and cannot do with guns. This type legislation is designed to control your behaviour. The problem with limiting the rights of or controlling the behaviour of law abiding citizens is addressed in the following links. Crimes committed with guns, are done so by criminals. More often than not, crimes are committed with illegally obtained guns.
I then like to pass along this link to articles about the jewish perspective of gun control.

Jewish Perspective

23 posted on 10/10/2002 8:05:26 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: PaulJ
I should have edited my quote a bit..but I hope you get the idea. (it's from my webpage)
26 posted on 10/10/2002 8:06:35 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: PaulJ
More deaths from the sniper have occured in Maryland than in Virginia. If the heavy-handed gun laws in Maryland made its citizens safe, there would be fewer deaths than in Virginia, which I believe is a right to carry state.
28 posted on 10/10/2002 8:07:32 AM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: PaulJ
I am a srong proponent of the 2nd ammendment. But I must confess, I don't understand why this law is an infrigment on one's rights and why people are against it. Now, I am well aware that criminals would not care about such a law, as gun laws in no way deter them, but as a gun owner, how would this law violate my rights? Am I missing something?

This is not about solving crimes. It is about constructing a data base of every gun and it's owner. Illinois, through Mayor Daley, is already using such info to collect weapons.

This is the way it went down in the UK. First registration, then confiscation.

32 posted on 10/10/2002 8:10:02 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: PaulJ
Here's another 'what if' for you.

What if you go to the range and practice with your Glock. You leave your spent casings on the ground as I do, since the Jr. NRA members collect them and resell them to reloaders.

A reloader, remanufactures your casings and sells them to Joe Blow who becomes a killer. The casings are recovered.

How sophisticated is their equipment? Enough to detect your original markings? enough to distinguish between two? Enough to send you to jail?
35 posted on 10/10/2002 8:15:07 AM PDT by TC Rider
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To: PaulJ
When your gun is fingerprinted...So are you.....It is called Firearms registration,and it is the 1st step in the road to CONFISCATION. Witness England,Canada,Austrailia.Hitler's Germany,Mao's China,Pol Pot's Cambodia,Stalin's Russia. The BS about fingerprinting a gun is BS. Barrels can be changed,Chambers can wear.The whole SCAM is nothing more than an attempt At REGISTRATION.
59 posted on 10/10/2002 9:18:37 PM PDT by HP8753
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