"You have your opinion,
Which is a conservative one.
I have mine.
Which is a liberal one."
A little frustrated huh? Not in the least---just calling a spade a spade. "As part of a greater society,we also have responsibility to others" is a liberal/socialist position.
there is no easy solution to the drug problem here in the US.
There is NO governmental solution to the problem of adults harming themselves with bad choices, as the history of Prohibition proves.
(all legal drugs are licensed by the FDA,and will continue to be).
False; neither tobacco nor alcohol are under the FDA's jurisdiction.
Your comments sound like those of many liberal democrats,mine sound like those of many conservatives I have heard.
Unlike liberal Democrats and phony "conservatives," I take a consistent stand for individual freedom. "Conservatives" who support individual freedom only when it suits them are phonies.
"your position of trading one form of goverment control for another."
"Still telling this lie? Shame on you."
How is this a lie
As I've pointed out several times and you have never rebutted, what I advocate is not a mere trade but a LESSENING of goverment control.
What's working so well about it? Rampant alcoholism,
Define "rampant." I didn't have to step over any drunks on my way to work today.
sky high taxation on alcohol and tobbacco.
Are you seriously claiming that this is a problem with the LEGALITY of tobacco and alcohol?! That's just comical.
Do we need more problems
Whenever there is true freedom there is the potential for self-harm. To a true conservative that is not an argument for restricting freedom.
crack being no more dangerous than alcohol [...] The goverment scientists who came up with that kind of conclusions
Why are you misrepresenting my position? I never said that, nor did the USDoJ.
have obviously never been out in the street.
Observations "out in the street" are neither randomly selected nor comparable against a control group, so they prove LESS about general conclusions than scientific observations do.
"I'm pointing out the logical consequences of your statements. If you don't like them, rethink your statements."
And my opinion is your logic just won't work if it ever did actually come to fruition.
Nonresponsive. You claimed that people should be allowed to kill dealers of legalized narcotics, and you agree that alcohol is also a harmful substance, so the logical consequence is that people should be allowed to kill dealers of alcohol.
"Not in the least---just calling a spade a spade. "As part of a greater society,we also have responsibility to others" is a liberal/socialist position."
With freedoms comes responsibilitys.
"There is NO governmental solution to the problem of adults harming themselves with bad choices, as the history of Prohibition proves.
So the solution is to give each and every adult the right to access crack and Heroin-Our reasoning differs here,you believe this would be a road to increased personal freedoms,I think it would be opening a can of worms.The history of prohibition does not necessarily equate with the WOD.Legal drugs might create a completely different dynamic.
"False; neither tobacco nor alcohol are under the FDA's jurisdiction."
Sorry I confused you-I was refering to prescribed medicines.Tobbacco and alcohol are controlled by the ATF,which as you know is a GOVERMENT AGENCY.
"Unlike liberal Democrats and phony "conservatives," I take a consistent stand for individual freedom. "Conservatives" who support individual freedom only when it suits them are phonies."
How come so many conservatives are against the legalization of drugs then? You can't tell me every conservative who is against drug legalization is a phony.Some of them probobly realise the ramifications and realitys this would entail.You refuse to admit or simply want to accept some of the realitys that would be created if everyone was permitted access.Drugs should be decriminalized (personal possession,use)and addicts treated as sick people,not criminals.
"As I've pointed out several times and you have never rebutted, what I advocate is not a mere trade but a LESSENING of goverment control."
But you would permit the goverment and/or private industry to profit off of drugs.I can't accept that.
"Define "rampant." I didn't have to step over any drunks on my way to work today."
My office is in a downtown area where we do oftentimes have to deal with nasty drunks.I don't call the cops on them when they are passed out or unruly.I'll send one over your way if you feel you are missing out.
"Are you seriously claiming that this is a problem with the LEGALITY of tobacco and alcohol?! That's just comical."
I'm saying the goverment should not have the ability to tax my tobbacco and booze.Yes,that's a problem.
"crack being no more dangerous than alcohol [...] The goverment scientists who came up with that kind of conclusions
Why are you misrepresenting my position? I never said that, nor did the USDoJ."
Refer back to your post #66. You cite a report that claims drugs such as PCP do not cause any more propensity for violence than alcohol.And I agree alcohol is linked with tons of violence.But I think any study claiming that PCP is no more dangerous than alcohol is seriously skewed.
"Observations "out in the street" are neither randomly selected nor comparable against a control group, so they prove LESS about general conclusions than scientific observations do."
OK-how about when a study proports to be subjective,but is actually quite biased.That's not uncommon.
"And my opinion is your logic just won't work if it ever did actually come to fruition."
"Nonresponsive. You claimed that people should be allowed to kill dealers of legalized narcotics, and you agree that alcohol is also a harmful substance, so the logical consequence is that people should be allowed to kill dealers of alcohol."
I sure didn't ever say people should be able to knock off dealers of alcohol. But yes,armed citizens could in my opinion control narcotics trafficing more effectivly than legalization could. I think it's seriously unlikely either will happen at anytime soon.Thanks for the debate-you're not half bad.