Maryland Sniper Shootings-FR Commentary

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[Peach]

Another press conference due soon. To avoid multiple vanity threads regarding any news that comes from press conferences, thought we'd keep a live commentary thread going again today.

[Freedom2specul8]

I can send you a freepmail with the updated list twice a day if you want to..morn/night? That way you can just open the mail whenever you want to use it.

Do you know how to reach your freepmail? I sent you one a little while ago.

[Dead Dog]

My "attitude" in the prior post was out of line. I appologize for that.

[walkingdead]

"We have approximately 14000 imported nutjobs hell bent on killing US citizens, for the sake of killing them, and people are still hung up on middle class whities. Amazing."

This is the most sensable thing I've read on this thread yet. When is someone gonna stand up and say "THIS IS WAR!"

War is being waged on our soil, and you can run around trying to blame it on society, or Playstation, or teens, or whatever, but it's not gonna help us until everyone understands "THIS SNIPER IS AN ENEMY SOLDIER!"

My .02

[Gritty]

This is a stretch, but the school shooting may not even be related to the others.

The school shooting could be a copycat with a similar calibre weapon or maybe even a false flag operation.

From what we have heard, it is likely the first wave of shootings were from a vehicle of some sort and with practically zero clues. This last shooting came after the weekend, changes the (very successful) shooting method and also provides a couple of very distinctive clues. It also apparently completely changes the scope and direction of the investigation - at least here on FR. Then the shootings have stopped, at least for a couple of days.

[BobFromNJ]

Pleasa put me on the ping list!!
BobfromNJ

[xsrdx]

They did some very elaborate, long-term planning to carry it out, and they pulled it off reasonably well.

The "bombs" they planted were untested and did not function. They had no strategy for dealing with responding police. They advertised their intentions in advance and should have been caught several times.

Columbine should have been a complete disaster for the perps, unfortunately fate, and the hapless police response, dictated otherwise.

[ET(end tyranny)]

The most intriguing information I've seen on this thread is the "fulfilling prophesy" theory. The talking heads make their predictions and the perp carries them out. The crumbling tower Tarrot card and the Bin Laden "Youth of God" comment is chilling also. Let's watch carefully what the "heads" say today and see if it comes true.

Maybe Moose should come out and repeatedly tell the journalists how safe they are during the conferences. That they should NOT worry, they are extremely well protected. Mention it every third sentence or so.

[Freedom2specul8]

"The crumbling tower Tarrot card and the Bin Laden "Youth of God" "

Was that in the article? I missed it..and it is very chilling.

I talked myself into believing this wasn't a foreign terrorist this morning..but now you've got me to thinking again. I never would have guessed that bin laden's terrorists would use tarot cards etc..

[r9etb]

This is the most sensable thing I've read on this thread yet. When is someone gonna stand up and say "THIS IS WAR!"

Your .02 isn't worth a plug nickel in this instance. It's not at all appropriate to turn this into a terrorist hunt, because there's no evidence to favor that conclusion over a variety of other explanations. It would be stupid to rule out nutjobs, neo-nazis, anarchists, disgruntled cops or ex-soldiers, or a variety of other possible explanations.

[BobFromNJ]

Pleasa = Please

[Peach]

Thanks, Teach (Kim). I just sent you freepmail back. I'll look for the updated list there. When I open a thread tomorrow morning, I gather I can just copy the ping list from my freepmail and start the thread. If that's incorrect, let me know. Thanks, again.

[r9etb]

Columbine should have been a complete disaster for the perps

Shoulda, woulda, coulda. The fact is, the attack was a success.

When this gets wrapped up, I predict there will be a similar trail of shoulda, woulda, couldas.

[archy]

The sniper has covered his tracks too well and shown too much discipline (one shot/victim) to be in the 17-25 age grroup.

That age group is also that of most Marine and military snipers, who exhibit considerable discipline, abnd in some cases have racked up personal feats involving dozens and hundreds of enemy targets eliminated, in some instances at over a thousand yards, more than a half-mile away. Worse, multiple murderer Charlie Starkweather, who also used a rifle in some of the several killings he committed, was also both quite a good shot, and quite ruthless. He was 19 at the time he committed those murders with Carol Ann Fugate.

[apochromat]

Yesterday, I was leaning towards a middle-east link to the perp(s). Today, it just seems like another childish domestic political cry to punish everyone as a result of un-involved parents.

[Elenya]

We have approximately 14000 imported nutjobs hell bent on killing US citizens, for the sake of killing them, and people are still hung up on middle class whities. Amazing.

I'm not saying that this is your case, but I noticed some people seem to hope that the perps are ME terrorists. I for one hope it's the work of a nutcase instead of a new ME terrorists MO. I know the media would have a field day and it makes me sick just thinking of it. But the chaos that would follow if it turns out this is a new wave of terrorist attacks would be even worse than anything we can imagine at this point...

[ET(end tyranny)]

disgruntled cops

Maybe a cop that was overlooked for a promotion, when Moose was hired? Someone leaked the tarot card. Trying to make Moose look bad.

[WRhine]

You really underestimate what kids are capable of nowadays. They have access to all kind of info and "special trainings" through all the books, movies and video games out there. Hollyweird is a very "informative" source for kids.

Well, as you know, it's all guesswork however I think Occam's Razor would suggest that the perp is someone older than 25. I think that by discounting what we know about the perp--that he is disciplined, thinks ahead and plans--all traits of older people--and replacing this with a theory that the influence of electronic games/Hollywood could override the natural impulses, lack of experience and foresight that very young adults exhibit is unfounded speculation. JMO. That said, you could very well be right--we just don't know much about this Sicko.

[Peach]

In case the freeper you were asking doesn't see your question, I think the info is coming from a Freeper who, a few hundred posts back, said there is a tarot card with a burning tower and said freeper wondered if anyone had made a connection between AQ and the sniper attacks.

[Freedom2specul8]

That is just mind boggling. I guess we can also assume that LEO's haven't released all the information from last week's shootings..too. If there is other info from last week..???

[Freedom2specul8]

That's right Peach :)

Kim