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To: SLB
Not the American Airlines flight over New York City a year ago, not the string of oil refinery explosions, unexplained train derailments, not the nutcases attacking Greyhound bus drivers, and heaven forbid - that Anthrax thing was an anomaly, just like the West Nile Virus and the new cases of malaria popping up in the same area of the shooting. Just individual crazed lunatics mind you, not terrorism.

1) There isn't the slightest scrap of evidence that terrorism had anything to do with Flight 587.

2) Oil refineries are massive complexes chock-full of things that burn are explode. Sometimes they burn or explode, and this has happened since the first refinery was built. No one has presented any evidence that there are more oil refineries exploding or burning in the last year than usual. And it IS the responsibility of someone claiming these are terrorist incidents to search for and present such evidence, NOT the responsibility of those claiming they aren't.

And believe me, I've had to put up with this garbage before, from the Y2K loons on the old Timebomb 2000 board. You couldn't have a fire in a trashcan started by a cigarette butt at an oil refinery in early 2000 without somebody claiming it was the beginning of the Y2K meltdown.

3) There has been NO increase in train accidents or train derailments in the last year. This WAS researchable and the data was posted on several of the train derailment threads on FR.

4) None of the Greyhound bus attackers were "Middle Eastern", Muslim, or were found to have the slightest connection to any terrorist network.

5) Malaria USED to be endemic in the Continental US and it's not particularly surprising to have it return, particularly with restrictions on spraying and insecticides.

6) New diseases, old diseases arriving from a different area of the world so they're new to the US, or new forms of diseases, pop up. Legionnaire's disease, the 1918 Flu Pandemic, etc. It doesn't require human intervention.

Nobody thinks the 1918 flu was biowarfare. If it popped up this winter, (or something like it, and that could happen ANY year) I think it's a safe assumption that every single person on FR would assume it was bioterrorism, and be violently hostile to anyone suggesting that it wasn't.

Let's face it...the author, like many FR posters, is upset about the relative absence of terror attacks in the US in the last year. We've had a grand total of ONE Middle Eastern Male actually commit an act of terror in the entire US in the last year, and a grand total of TWO Muslims (including Richard Reid, who was at least on an aircraft headed towards the US, though he wasn't actually here when he tried to set off his shoe) committ acts of terror in the US in the last year.

The above aren't spin, they aren't deceptively worded statements; they're simple statements of fact.

And I'm talking about ACTS OF TERROR. Whatever dreams Padilla or those wannabe kooks in Oregon had don't count in ACTS OF TERROR because they didn't actually do anything. Could they have done something if they hadn't been caught? Sure. But we'll never know.

And this is a dilemma for the "ALL Muslims are Evil Terrorists/We're in WWIII" crowd; it's the same dilemma that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton face every day they wake up and some dumb white redneck hasn't dragged a black man to his death behind a truck the day before...and that's pretty much every day, because the supply of violent white racists is far lower than Jackson's and Sharpton's political agendas demand, just as the supply of violent Islamic terrorists in the US is far lower than the political agendas of a lot of people who post on FR, and who are popular writers of articles that get posted on FR, demand.

31 posted on 10/08/2002 11:59:15 AM PDT by John H K
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To: John H K
Interesting analysis.

Was listening to Roger Hedgecock yammer on earlier about this being a terrorist act, when to me it doesn't really fit the general profile of terrorism, as opposed to one loon out there shooting at people.

Yeah, the shooter is inducing terror, but it's unlikely that that is his(?) goal as such. It's far more likely that the shooter is just plain freaking nuts, along the lines of that guy who shot up the US Capitol some years back.

It seems that whenever bona-fide terrorists strike, they do it in areas where there are gonna be lots of people, to maximize the death and destruction caused - airports (or airplanes), shopping centers, office buildings, and suchlike. This individual is shooting at single targets, one at a time. Were he interested in killing many at once, it doesn't appear that it would take a lot of extra effort on his part.

Then there's also the fact that terrorist attacks are discrete events - that is, each one is its own entity, without regard to whether similar attacks precede or follow.

Regards,
Snidely

48 posted on 10/08/2002 12:13:23 PM PDT by Snidely Whiplash
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To: John H K
"1) There isn't the slightest scrap of evidence that terrorism had anything to do with Flight 587.

Only Eye witness acounts of people seeing a fireball the size of a car just above the wing.

61 posted on 10/08/2002 12:21:41 PM PDT by OXENinFLA
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To: John H K
There isn't the slightest scrap of evidence that terrorism had anything to do with Flight 587.

Yeah, you probably said the same thing about TWA Flight 800.

And you also think that Ron Brown's plane crashed in the "worst storm in over 20 years" in Croatia, too.

63 posted on 10/08/2002 12:24:10 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: John H K
None of the Greyhound bus attackers were "Middle Eastern", Muslim, or were found to have the slightest connection to any terrorist network.

I thought that the first Greyhound attacker (almost a year ago) was an Albanian Muslim....

74 posted on 10/08/2002 12:33:35 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: John H K
There isn't the slightest scrap of evidence that terrorism had anything to do with Flight 587.

Witnesses reported seeing an explosion on one of the wings of the plane, and FOX News even reported and interviewed the witnesses who saw this.

Oil refineries are massive complexes chock-full of things that burn are explode. Sometimes they burn or explode...

Which makes them an even more tempting target to terrorists. Sorry, but they just don't suddenly combust for the hell of it, there are hundreds of workers maintaining the facility day and night and the refineries undergo rigorous saftey precautions, measures and drills.

There has been NO increase in train accidents or train derailments in the last year.

Of course there isn't. That's because all the derailments happened THIS year, and the statistics have yet to be calculated. None of the Greyhound bus attackers were "Middle Eastern", Muslim, or were found to have the slightest connection to any terrorist network.

How do you know? Where you riding on all the buses that were attacked, or are you simply getting your information from MSNBC?

77 posted on 10/08/2002 12:39:21 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: John H K
"just as the supply of violent Islamic terrorists in the US is far lower than the political agendas of a lot of people who post on FR, and who are popular writers of articles that get posted on FR, demand."

LOL..... I DEMAND more terrorists! Give them to me NOW!!!!!!!

hmmm... you wouldn't happen to work for the government would you? Your spiel sounds suspiciously familiar....

80 posted on 10/08/2002 12:46:13 PM PDT by monday
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To: John H K
Gee I hope you're right. Outside the upper echelons of the current administration, and the higher ups in the alphabet agencies and military however .... nobody knows.

I'm glad you are secure in you surity. It must be ..... so ...... peaceful, in there.
187 posted on 10/08/2002 6:35:35 PM PDT by mercy
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