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Thanks for your input on this thread.

I keep going back to the Islamakazi compound down by Fresno and your comment that you hoped the Feds went and gathered up every spent slug for ballistic tests. We both knew that something like would happen.

I don't know that these sniper/snipers are Islamakazis (home grown or middle east). It is just a matter of time if these snipers are not Islamakazis for Islamakazis to do this.

I had a friend back in the Va area. He killed wild turkeys with his .223 Contender with a Leupold scope. Most of his shots were at 100 yards and most of the time he hit the toms in the heads. He sat on his butt and propped his pistol up on his knees,aimed,shot and killed the turkeys with one shot.

One of my fellow deer hunters out here uses a .243. His deer are just as dead as those I kill with my 30.06. If I go back to deer hunting, I will buy a .243 or some light gun. For our Kali deer they work very well. The guns are lighter to carry around and don't break your shoulder.

A .223 pistol with a scope or laser sight in the hands of someone who has used it a couple of hundred times would be capable of all the kills and wounds in this fiasco.