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To: SLB
Anybody know what the distances of these one-shot-one-kill shots are? That would give us a quantitative measure of the skill of the perp. Is he military trained or just a run of the mill deer hunter type?
10 posted on 10/08/2002 11:43:57 AM PDT by hang 'em
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To: hang 'em; SLB; pocat; harpseal; Squantos; Travis McGee; wardaddy
Anybody know what the distances of these one-shot-one-kill shots are? That would give us a quantitative measure of the skill of the perp. Is he military trained or just a run of the mill deer hunter type?

I heard last night that no shots were beyond 100 meters. An amateur piker could hit a kill zone with iron sights at that range.

***Big wave to the carnivore contingient!*****

25 posted on 10/08/2002 11:56:31 AM PDT by AAABEST
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To: hang 'em
Is he military trained or just a run of the mill deer hunter type?

I would respond that the average of "run of the mill deer hunter type" is probably a better shot than the average military trained type, especially if you subtract out the Marines. Even in the Army, range time for non-combat arms MOS's is pretty minimal, and even less in the Air Force and Navy.

These shots are nothing special for anyone with the least bit of training, especially if the weapon is scoped. What is special is the cold-bloodedness, the set up in areas where no one is around, but targets are in range, and the effective escape and evasion techniques.

120 posted on 10/08/2002 2:39:11 PM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: hang 'em
I haven't heard any numbers. A good sniper with a .30 caliber rifle is good to at least 500 yards. IMHO this is a military guy who was trained in one of the Islamic or former Combloc nations.
122 posted on 10/08/2002 2:47:33 PM PDT by wjcsux
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To: hang 'em
You have identified the problem...

the cops are not telling us the approximate ranges, the typical angles of entry, or the exact size of the exit wounds. They have not confirmed the type of "blinds" the terrorists are using... and it would be easy enough to come up with likely heights of the perches, or van roof (if that is what is being used)....

If we knew the sniper was using the TOP of a van, with a "moon roof" as a perch... folks could watch for such vehicles parked near public lots. The cops are not telling us... and I think they could by now. If a silencer is being used, as I suspect due to very little public data being reported regaring the "report" of the hit rifle by folks nearby... we could tell by the marks on the projectile...

If we knew the sniper had hot footed it out of perch... we could watch the high ground... or tree tops (doubtful).

If the killer is NOT shooting from high ground or a perch... he could not get such deadly shots, without people hearing or seeing something.

Anybody know what kind of silencers are available for a .223? Or how much it reduces range or muzzle velocity and flash? A .223 uses a lot of powder... makes a pretty big bang... even at a thousand yards... without suppresion.

With an army of civilian soldiers, alerted to firing positions, suspected perches and cell phones... a large metro area should have gotten some DETAILS cleared up pretty quickly.

Seems to me like the sheriff SHOULD have already contacted "sniper school" at the local army or marine base, to get the ballistics and positioning profiles out to the public.

NOW that we have a terrified community, it is likely that mohammet has moved on to another location.

We need a nationwide alert, with the pertinent sniper data posted on the news for a day or two... I think a thorough summary of al qaida training tapes and outlines for assymetric warfare on sixty minutes MIGHT go a long way towards waking or shaking the not yet comatose sheeple up to a useful level. Parked vans, or vehicles that are setting in high places, overlooking pubic areas.
Folks need to get serious about reporting what should be considered potential sniper perch activities. They cannot, because such things are taboo for media. We better wake up before we are forcibly extinguished... JOHNNY JIHAD studies this stuff at "madrassa" school, from the tender age of 3...


with their training and ability/skills developed for maximum terrorist effect since that tender age... by the time they hit 19 or so, the american public are virtually "fish in a barrel" every where we go.

I wonder if the guy they arrested for al qaida membership AFTER taking his basic training out here in Washington, (the portlan oregon six) is the ONLY terrorist we have trained for sniper duty at taxpayer expense... in our own military institutions?

I wonder if we have a list of former sniper types, who are otherwise aol.. or failed to report for active duty.
Should islamics be allowed in the military? I am not so sure.
153 posted on 10/08/2002 4:23:44 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2
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