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To: Coop
I'm still hopeful that all this saber rattling (no pun intended) will result in Iraq changing its own regime. Not very hopeful, but hopeful.

Think for a moment, about how regime change in the Soviet Union led to a decentralization of control over their WMDs which exists to this day. Subsequent proliferation of these technologies is a great worry. Even some of Saddam's WMD programs can be traced to this.

Any simple "regime change" in Iraq would be no better, and in some ways, it would be worse. No new regime could be certain it had all of the WMDs or the scientists with the know-how to produce them completely under wraps.

All of that would fall into the hands of the highest Islamist bidder. The threat would remain, and in some ways, would worsen.

Internal Iraqi "regime change" is a phantom solution.

The best solution is a devastating war that persuades all other would-be megalomaniacs of the folly of Saddam's path.




8 posted on 10/08/2002 9:56:29 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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10 posted on 10/08/2002 10:07:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Sabertooth
The best solution is a devastating war that persuades all other would-be megalomaniacs of the folly of Saddam's path. Crush this clear enemy and disarm the survivors, else we WILL eventually have Iraq produced WMD used on American soil, if it hasn't happened already, which it has, IMHO.
16 posted on 10/08/2002 12:09:27 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Sabertooth; Coop
Probability of statistics.

I'm still hopeful that all this saber rattling (no pun intended) will result in Iraq changing its own regime. Not very hopeful, but hopeful. 6

Any simple "regime change" in Iraq would be no better, and in some ways, it would be worse. No new regime could be certain it had all of the WMDs or the scientists with the know-how to produce them completely under wraps.

If you contend that then nor could United States ensure that all WMD and scientists with know how were completely under wraps. Heck, I'll contend that on the basis that man is not infallible.

All of that would fall into the hands of the highest Islamist bidder. The threat would remain, and in some ways, would worsen.

Internal Iraqi "regime change" is a phantom solution.

I sought a possible solution. I posted similar eight to ten days ago on a couple of threads: Internal assassination or swift removal awaiting jury trial of Saddam Hussein and any replacement that follows his or a similar threat to United States and Iraq's neighboring countries would meet the same fate. Any honest Iraqi president would allow unconditional inspection as proof of his honorable intent to a regime change. In fact, he would probably seek to enlist United States in his efforts toward a regime change.

Interestingly, a few days after the initial posts a similar scenario was put out by the Bush Administration. I have no doubt that they had long been aware of the scenario. Just as I and many others have been. Still, I find the timing interesting.

On the one hand, achieving the goal of valid regime change internally would be several magnitude more arduous than going to war to change the regime. On the other hand, if the Iraqi people became convinced that internal regime change is the will of the Iraqi people it could be a comparative cake walk.

I'll tell you something, if that possibility/goal does come to pass a major paradigm shift in people's thinking will follow. That would have positive ramifications far beyond what war could achieve.

I won't argue that honest men do or do not exist. For I think I have made that case clear already. That said, what are the odds that the internal regime change solution put forth above will occur?

At the very least, acknowledge objective reality. That is, there is a possibility that a valid regime change could happen without war. And if still interested, go on to learn and identify how it could happen without war. There is no doubt in my mind that President Bush has sought that while assessing the odds and possibility of going to war as an alternative. He certainly isn't jumping the gun to go to war. I trust his judgment.

BTW, I think James S. Robbins' article heading this thread is spot on.

22 posted on 10/08/2002 2:43:16 PM PDT by Zon
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