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To: American in Israel
I recognize that you no longer want to continue our little dialogue, so I promise this will be it for me. I can't simply ignore your post, no matter how hard I tried.

You post on a public forum, quite matter of factly, that you have been healed in such a way as to break every known law of biology, medicine, physics, and logic. You went on to state that you have even healed people breaking every known law of biology, medicine, physics and logic. I personally find these claims earth-shattering to say the least. You made a guy's leg grow by thinking about it?!

I can not ignore these claims. (I am ignoring your flood geology stuff, not because I'm stumped, but simply because jennyP and others have done a nice job helping you out with that. I find it interesting your whole theory never accounts for glaciation in the least. but I digress...) I do not mean to discount your religion and I do not mean to demean your faith. However, the world of faith healing is a dangerous one, where people who are actually sick end up dying as a result of these charlatans. There is plenty of documentation for this. And that pisses me off. Your leg length story is as old as the hills.

Here's something from Probe Ministries (do a Google search) who are honest to god real christians, by a Pat Zukeran: On November 21, 1991, many of us saw the ABC _Primetime_ special on faith healers and television evangelists. One of the men exposed was W. V. Grant. _Primetime_ discovered that many of his "healings" were not healings at all, just magician's tricks and deceit. People in wheelchairs were commanded to get up and walk, and indeed they did. Many in the audience believed a miracle had occurred, but the people in the wheelchairs never had problems walking. The miraculous work of leg-lengthening was merely an illusion in which Grant simply pulled out the heel of the person's shoe. As a result of this show, many people have condemned all television evangelists, churches, and other ministries. I agree with Diane Sawyer that there are some illegitimate preachers on television, but there are also many fine ones. The key is to be able to distinguish between true spiritual leaders and false ones.

Oh, but your experience was different, of course. It may have been, because you may not have been aware you were doing this. (I posted from an evangelical christian website on purpose. I could have posted from numerous other, "non-believer" sites, but you'd have dismissed them).

so you say don't care about a million bucks. Good for you (although I don't believe you entirely). But wouldn't your church enjoy the windfall? Imagine how many people you could help with a million bucks? Since you have this gift, and since the million dollars is there for your taking, by not taking the time to display your healing you appear to me to be one of the most selfish, unloving christians the world over. I'm a non-theist and I promise you, if I had a chance to collect a million dollars, I would certainly do so and donate it not only to FR, but to many other worthwhile causes. This makes your claims ring hollow. Not to mention the fact that you spend your days searching for gold. Hmmm, you'll go to the middle of no where to search for tiny pieces of gold, but you won't fill out a simple application for an easy million bucks. Again, this makes your claims ring hollow.

In case you don't want to click the link to read the rules, here they are for you. Have a good day and best of luck.

The Foundation is committed to providing reliable information about paranormal claims. It both supports and conducts original research into such claims. At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event. The prize is in the form of negotiable bonds held in a special investment account. The JREF does not involve itself in the testing procedure, other than helping to design the protocol and approving the conditions under which a test will take place. All tests are designed with the participation and approval of the applicant. In most cases, the applicant will be asked to perform a relatively simple preliminary test of the claim, which if successful, will be followed by the formal test. Preliminary tests are usually conducted by associates of the JREF at the site where the applicant lives. Upon success in the preliminary testing process, the "applicant" becomes a "claimant."
885 posted on 10/11/2002 5:53:56 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Go to Church, get a life. All I know is I am healed, all you know is I am not. I did not expect you to comment on flood geology, that would take original thought something that is frowned on in your Religion.

No I did not make his leg grow silly. It just grew. I kinda suspect God had something to do with It as I was using His name. Sheesh, sorry to offend you so.

Get a gold pan, and check it out for yourself. Canyon country, topo map and north east side of town behind the tract homes. Dead end road. Compare canyon orientation to Placerita Canyon. If that is too dang hard for ya, you post a topo, and I will show you where to find some good panning gold. Now how much more help I can be than giving you a treasure map to both gold and your soul?

Blessings on ya,
914 posted on 10/11/2002 9:26:29 AM PDT by American in Israel
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