This is a perfect example of why arguing over religion is foolish. Take a look at your own statement. If your "refutation" was true, then there would never be heavy sediments over light sediments. But there are. What part of reality do you not get here? If flood waters cannot do what flood waters do, then particlular flood did not exist?! Look in any stream bed anywhere that is exposed in cross wise section (hint look at the sides of the stream beds where the stream has cut through an older section. Notice that all the materials are not sorted as to mass, but are sorted as to mass at the time the stream was flowing. Any change in the flow rate at any given point in time causes different deposits by mass/cross section at that point of time. (AnI law of cross sectional placerplacement).
So for this idea to be even remotely possible, the earth would have had to be absolutely round, no brush or hills to impede flow. The flood would have had to start by just appearing slowly until it rose to what ever height and then suddenly started to spin around the poles tearing up the dirt evenly never exposing any form of bedrock or anything that would impede the flow or cause eddy currents. Then magicly the flood would have had to slowly decelerate raining out the sediments and rocks it did not expose in the first place, evenly in a layer over the whole earth untill it just "went away". Then and only then could you have had even sorting of the layers that you need to believe there even was a flood. But there are layers there. What caused them, brain farts? Do you know of anything else that causes earth layering in nature besides, uh water deposits? That's it, a previously unknown dinosaur that had a fetish for sorting gravel that went extinct because of the Ice age. Yeah, it died of frustration because all the snow was the same size. Thats the ticket...
Of course there were mountains that caused runoff, and seabeds that existed as great sandtraps, and bushes to impede flow and even a storm that caused wave action. So naturally stream beds did what stream beds do, they deposited their layers in a haphazard form directly related to the flow as it happened at that point in time.
You also mixed rock types with sedimentary layers. Are you telling me that limestone and granite are sedimentary rocks? Look at granite some time. Does it look placered or are the rock particles rough, crystalline in form and uniform? Crystallization comes from igneous formation of particles not layering. Damn, you boys need to get outside some time and smell the roses.
The fact that you attempt to put the whole earth in a test tube and have come to the conclusion that God does not exist because it won't fit is the real problem here. This is not about science, this is about faith. And I passed on your religious arguments.
These ideas are so beyond you that you did not even see the obvious errors, how do your expect me, some jerk-wad in Israel to debunk them all for you if you cannot even understand them in the first place? I would have to have an IQ of about 3000 to have all the answers to everything in the world and at that point I would be way to busy to bother writing you a letter. Get real.
This was the first example you gave. I case you think I just found a simple oops in your observation... I will wade through the pasture, wait a minute while I adjust my suspenders. This is pretty think stuff.
There would be no segregation of fossils. If all organisms lived at the same time, we would expect to see trilobites, brachiopods, ammonites, dinosaurs, and mammals (including humans) all randomly mixed together in the worldwide blanket described in point #1. This is not what is observed.
Oh give me a break! This like 5 guys who are blind trying to describe an elephant after on lunch break they have decided to at least agree on one thing. Elephants don't exist.
Why would dead animals have different rules than dead rocks? Just like in a stream bed you see sorting by mass/cross sectional area vs flow rate in floodwaters you see in fossils “sorting by mass/cross sectional area vs flow rate”. That is why you see debris sorted on the beach the same way. Tell me, if you find shells on the beach all piled together by size and type (as you see on any beach) does that prove the birds don't exist? Besides, anomalies in the fossil records abound. I have seen them myself. If you find a bird with a seashell in the same fossil strata, it is just labeled a bird age fossil. If you find a dinosaur bone with a sea shell it is just labeled a dinosaur age fossil. If you find the layering in reverse order, the layers must have been flipped over due to geological shifting.... Seriously you need to get out more. If fossils are so darned important to you, go dig some! Bring a picknik lunch, you will dig it. (no pun intended) Listen to the birds sing.
Nobody even knows how fossils come about being in the first place in the scientwistic circles because the answer is only obvious, and they have agreed that is the one thing they agree does not exist. (Hint, in order for fossilisation to take place, you need low level electrical currents.)
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Igneous (volcanic) rocks, if they existed at all in flood sediments, would all be in the form of pillow lava, which are extruded underwater. There could be no segregation of igneous rock types. Basalt would be the only igneous rock type because all activity would have been extrusive. There would be a complete absence of volcanic layers within the strata.
In reality,(what a concept!) there are very clearly defined volcanic layers, from which radiometric dates are obtained. How can we observe layers of volcanic rock within the strata if there was a Flood at at the time?
The flood was only 40 days? -grin- Seriously, if what this statement said is true, there would be no such thing as lava formations of any sort than land or water. Did you catch the concept that lava happens before, during and after the flood? This again is an attempt to make the whole world fit in a single test tube. Very shortsighted.
As for radiometric dating, it is based on the concept that decay rates are a constant barring of course external influences. I suspect that a world wide flood is a bit of an influence. And since you want everything spelled out low level electrical currents passed through the lava would degrade the constant. The influence of external energy sources would shift the decay rate. A world wide flood grinds up metal veins and galvometric action caused by the electrical interaction of the metal particles degrading causes all sorts of odd things like the super x 22 bullet I pulled out of the sluice box once that was incased in sandstone. The bacterial action in the water caused acid that accelerated the galvonmetric activity between the lead bullet and the brass case. the bullet was perfectly imbedded in a do-nut of sandstone. LOOK A BULLET FOSSIL! Must be where 30-06's evolved from...
The third one is totally out of the ball park and hard for me to grasp.I don't do drugs... Because delicate fossils exist a single event that happened at one time in history did not? You know that pot makes your time sense history right?
Again, for the third time the method of trying to make a huge concept for a tiny brain to prove a blanket statement is used. Cult stuff if I ever saw it. What is it about your religion that anything can be believed if you shift the decimal point enough? It is like there is some finite limit to what your brain can hold. If you put a big enough thought in there, you can ignore the obvious. Time happens.
Ignoring that the flood is most likely the only way that delicate fossils exist in the first place, why is the presence of Noah's flood automaticly erase any existing fossil records before and after that flood? [there, I said the N word, sure to be flamed now]
Next time you get road kill in front of your house, go drag it onto your lawn, put up safety barriers around it with big signs saying “DO NOT DISTURB, FOSSILATION EXPERIMENT IN PROGRESS” around it and report back to me when you get a dog fossil complete with hair in place. Of course you will have to keep flies and other dogs away. But then, if they are smart enough to design the next generation of dogs that fly, surely they can read your signs...
Hint, bury the dog. It stinks less that way. You are even more likely to get a fossil. Now tell me, what the heck is big enough to bury about 500 dinosaur's in a big pile, sorted by mass/cross sectional area? That is one HECK of a big Dog you got back there, A DOGOSAUROUS!. Or did dinosaur's actually have a highly advanced religion and bury their dead in graveyards? Perhaps you think dinosaurs have homing instincts for dead dinosaurs and one fell over a clift once and all the rest followed?
I had a boss that perfectly described the mind-set of the Scien-twistic religion. He was talking money, (which he always did), but he said “lets not stumble over dollar bills to pick up nickles”. The same way, you and your cronies ignore the obvious, to search the sublime.
I got a suggestion, get a girl-friend and go to a movie. Watch a sunset, swim at the beach. Do something silly for once and enjoy life. You only got one, and playing with fossils all day make Jack a dull boy. La Chiem. (To LIFE!)
Try to imagine that we're arguing geology here. I point out to you that there are things that a single flood, however massive, won't do and that the earth is chock-full of exactly such features. You do not directly address but go into a long song-and-dance, stopping only to joust at strawmen. Anyone reading the post to which your long screed purports to reply will see the evasions.
your "refutation" was true, then there would never be heavy sediments over light sediments. But there are. What part of reality do you not get here?
My point, not yours. One big flood won't put a heavy layer over a light one.
But there are layers there. What caused them, brain farts? Do you know of anything else that causes earth layering in nature besides, uh water deposits?
Yes. Do you? (Hint: look up "loess deposits.")
In the section containing the above quote, you spin out of control into furniture chewing. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, really, but it ain't pretty.
You also mixed rock types with sedimentary layers. Are you telling me that limestone and granite are sedimentary rocks?
Yes and no.
Why would dead animals have different rules than dead rocks? Just like in a stream bed you see sorting by mass/cross sectional area vs flow rate in floodwaters you see in fossils “sorting by mass/cross sectional area vs flow rate”. That is why you see debris sorted on the beach the same way.
The fossil record is not sorted by any size or mass rules. There are no rabbits in the Precambrian. There are no Dimetrodons in the Pleistocene. Most trilobites were the size of a modern pill bug. Why are all their fossils in sediments older than the dinosaurs?
Seriously, if what this statement said is true, there would be no such thing as lava formations of any sort than land or water. Did you catch the concept that lava happens before, during and after the flood? This again is an attempt to make the whole world fit in a single test tube. Very shortsighted.
You can't have it both ways. If most/all of the world's geologic column is supposed to be from the Great Flood, there shouldn't be dry-land volcanic sediments (not underwater-extruded pillow lava) here and there between "flood" layers. But in fact there are always active volcanoes somewhere or other in the world. We have a geologic column that reflects that. Pick a time from the present to the Archaean and you can find evidence of dry-land volcanism somewhere. What you can't find is evidence of one flood all over the world.
As for radiometric dating, it is based on the concept that decay rates are a constant barring of course external influences. I suspect that a world wide flood is a bit of an influence.
You have a scoop. Your Nobel in Physics awaits you. Current thinking is that nothing in any flood, no matter how big, has anything to do with radioactive decay rates.
Because delicate fossils exist a single event that happened at one time in history did not?
Delicate dry-land fossils, up and down the geologic column. At no time was the world all underwater. (OK, there may have been a period about 700 million years ago when quite a lot of it was under ice, but that's not a big part of the geologic column and it wouldn't have looked like a great flood.)
Next time you get road kill in front of your house, go drag it onto your lawn, put up safety barriers around it with big signs saying “DO NOT DISTURB, FOSSILATION EXPERIMENT IN PROGRESS” around it and report back to me when you get a dog fossil complete with hair in place. Of course you will have to keep flies and other dogs away. But then, if they are smart enough to design the next generation of dogs that fly, surely they can read your signs...
See, you're ignoring efforts I've made to educate you already. Had you paid more attention, you'd know to take that road-kill dog and throw it in a nice swamp or small lake. The bottom of same is probably full of anoxic water because of all the decaying plant matter. Fish won't go after the dog because they don't swim where the water has no oxygen. None of the usual animal scavenger culprits can live in that stuff. So the dog has a chance at least to get buried in silt before the swamp gets drained or the lake water layers "turn over" after the some cold night in the fall. (Drop off the dog in late spring for the maximum burial time.)
I got a suggestion, get a girl-friend and go to a movie. Watch a sunset, swim at the beach. Do something silly for once and enjoy life. You only got one, and playing with fossils all day make Jack a dull boy. La Chiem. (To LIFE!)
If we're exchanging suggestions, I'll say that you should stop kidding yourself and others that you're interested in science. Just relax and go to church. Don't torture yourself with the wicked ways of this world.