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To: Rytwyng
First... evolution as it is usually taught, most assuredly DOES deal with life origins. The first cell supposedly originated randomly, and all the new orders of life supposedly originated as a result of accumulated mutations from that.

The ultimate origins of life are not relevant to the theory of evolution. The theory of evolution does not postulate that the first life forms originated 'randomly'. The matter of the origin of the first life form(s) is irrelevant to evolution. Evolution only deals with existing life forms, it does not deal with how life in general came into being. Whether life originated through some random chemical reaction, was seeded by aliens or was zap-poofed into existence by some divine entity is completely and totally irrelevant to the theory of evolution.

That you have confused this very basic premise shows that you likely don't have the scientific backing to understand evolution enough to discredit it. Your Ph.D in Chemistry does not make you an expert in matters of Biology.
366 posted on 10/08/2002 5:08:49 PM PDT by Dimensio
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To: Dimensio
The matter of the origin of the first life form(s) is irrelevant to evolution... Evolution only deals with existing life forms, it does not deal with how life in general came into being

Not according to evolutionists.

That you have confused this very basic premise shows that you likely don't have the scientific backing to understand evolution enough to discredit it.

No disrespect intended, but I believe that YOU have confused a basic premise. It's not just at the beginning point (the first cell) that evolution fails. It fails ALL THE WAY THROUGH the development of life. Invoking a divine escape to explain the origin of the first cell does not get away from the problem of the transformations and sudden appearances of new orders at pulses all through the history of life. Even if evolutionists conceded that the first cell had to be created, they'd still be in an impossible position explaining the rest of the story.

Darwin, to be fair, made some valid observations based on adaptive radiation. But he mistakenly generalized beyond the evidence. And if evolution had no philosophical implications, his error would have been rejected by later generations of scientists.

Your Ph.D in Chemistry does not make you an expert in matters of Biology

Actually, Biology has been a hobby of mine all through my career, Anthropology in particular. And I do have the training to understand other people's work. But, let us stipulate for the sake of argument, that I know nothing of Biology. But I do know chemistry, which is the foundation of biology. And the chemistry of macroevolution cannot work.

369 posted on 10/08/2002 5:32:38 PM PDT by Rytwyng
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To: Dimensio
The ultimate origins of life are not relevant to the theory of evolution.

Of course they are. Darwin did want to include it but knew he would be laughed at if he tried so he settled for half a loaf. His buddy Huxley only denied that it was part of evolution some 10 years after Pasteur disproved spontaneous generation. Evolution is materialism and materialism needs to deny God.

545 posted on 10/09/2002 6:10:04 PM PDT by gore3000
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