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To: VadeRetro
no geological or paleontological evidence of any sort could be found to indicate the occurrence of a world-wide flood. (Numbers, 1992, pp 291-293) Hare concluded, "We have been taught for years that almost everything in the geological record is the result of the Flood. I've seen enough in the field to realize that quite substantial portions of the geologic record are not the direct result of the Flood

ROFL! some things are not from the flood even though most are, so there is no flood? Let me guess, this guy owns shares on the brooklyn bridge.

It all sounds so well and good, but I spent many years as a prospector going all the places that evolutionists don't go. Matter of fact, never I met a single one in the field. Guess they don't exist.

I applied the theory of the flood to prospecting and found it works incredibly well. Nothing else explains the distribution of placer gold. I have dug a few hundred tons of rock and gravel looking for the elusive "yello poo" and besides finding gold, found more than a couple of fossils.

The biggest test for me was a project we did on placerita canyon park. It was a very unusual concentration of placer in the Los Angles area. (of course the govt made a lizard counting park there to close it down). We noticed that the canyon was turned 90 degrees in retrospect to the other canyons in the area that showed only very minor amounts of placer. We then took the topo-maps of the entire county and looked for another cross-wise canyon. It had no name, but it sure had a lot of gold. Some how the govt beat us to that one too, it was called a "future equestrian area" (horse path) and closed down too. But we did the survey anyway.

The key for me was that the canyon had in addition to its concentration in the watershed in the bottom of the canyon, a high concentration on the upward side of the entire canyon walls and NOTHING on the down ward side. You have to understand sluice boxes to know why that shows the water flow direction.

In short, we prospected the entire canyon structure of the Grapevine area with a perspective of the entire mountain structure being under water. The distribution of Gold proved that all of Canyon Country was under water so deep that the canyons did not influence the water flow direction. I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that the water on the earth was well over 3500 feet high from the fossils in those mountains and from the geographical distribution of gold.

I find it humorous that a bunch of people who most likely never walked a hundred yards from a road or ever did any original research can "refute" creationism by looking at a pile of dusty books. I look for gold in creation, they look for answers in the sewers of men's minds.

Anybody who has spent any quality time in creation instead of a city with half a brain open will become convinced evolution is foolish.

I am a creationist, but not because someone has proven it, just because it is. Where are all the useless appendages that evolutionary experimentation would have generated? Ever studied the sleek design of an ant? Incredible! Our own creations are a joke next to the bugs we walk on and we think they are better engineers than us? That makes either us dumber than a bug or there is a God, you take your pick. Evolutionist are nothing but a bunch of "flat earthers" screaming for the status quo, time changes but man is still the same...

Trillions of dollars have been spent to prove creation in research, but beyond the tendency to find what you are looking for in an empty box (talk to any hunter that "sees" a buck in a moving bush until their dog walks out,) there is more proof every day of creation generated by accident that is being generated willfull intent by science.

My wife said once apon reading an article about trying to create life in the laboratory with chemicals and lighting bolts, why don't they just kill a rabbit? It has all the right parts and pieces in place and in order, make it live.

I have seen a little child pray for a man with a bad back and a short leg in church. I saw his leg grow longer with my own eyes. He walks upright and healed to this day. I am that man. (right now with tears in my eyes for joy) I was not able to stand for more than 10 minutes without my legs growing numb. I have no problem to this day. I no longer need an insert in my shoe so that I can walk better.

Go ahead, find in some book why I can not be healed, why I am not really walking, why I really do hurt but just don't know it. What a sad pitiful life man leads without God...

I started posting on Freeper in the foreign affairs section because of the lies of the Palestinians. I HATE lies. I have intentionaly kept away from the Evilootanry threads because I considered it a waste of time. Never teach a pig to sing, it is a waste of time, and the pig will only hate you. But This CRAPOLA that is being posted in such plastic science terms is downright irritating.

300 posted on 10/07/2002 10:50:47 PM PDT by American in Israel
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To: American in Israel
What a beautiful testimony! Thank you oh so very much for sharing with us!
305 posted on 10/08/2002 7:17:51 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: American in Israel
Your post is one of those funny "Where to begin?" things. The true evidence for miracles is that you managed to find any gold, ever, given your state of geological knowledge.

Gold is redistributed on the earth's surface by erosion, yes. You can say the same thing about any other common earth's crust material. There are sedimentary rocks and fossils in the Himalayas, thousands of feet above sea level.

Those strata were not formed in place, by deposition. I live among mountains made entirely of folded, warped, sedimentary rock. The sediments very clearly did not form as they are lying now unless gravity used to act very oddly. Never mind that. It didn't happen that way. The sediment layers are older than the mountains they form. Sediments are formed laying flat, then tectonic forces warp them high and curvy.

Here's an example:

Soft mud won't pile up that way. Already-formed sediments being crumpled like automobile fenders in a collision will. And it's not like we don't see tectonic forces operating today. We can measure the spreading of sea floors and the raising of the Himalayas today. When you can account for what you can see today with forces and effects that you can see today, you don't need a big flood story.

In fact, flood geology has many, many problems. Why do the Himalayas contain mammal fossils including extinct transitional whale species when the Appalachians don't even have dinosaurs? Why are some mountains so obviously much older than others? Mainstream science has real answers. Flood geology shrugs.

The personal faith-healing testimony part of your post is an interesting anecdote. If the child who prayed for you can repeatably change leg lengths without resort to surgery, he/she should be more famous than appears the case. Certainly, I can't tell whom you describe here. It's no one of whom I've heard. I'm left to wonder why. Your performance in the geological part of your post does not help you at all here.

306 posted on 10/08/2002 8:36:33 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: American in Israel
Where are all the useless appendages that evolutionary experimentation would have generated?

Your understanding of evolution seems to come from Duane Gish or another strawman generator. That is, you don't understand it.

The no-longer useful ideas, the failed products of evolutionary experimentation, are in the fossil record. They're extinct now. The thing is, even those creatures were fit for a time or we wouldn't be able to find fossils of them at all.

Also, you can't always be sure that something no longer around now is a dead end. Its progeny may be still around, looking very different now. You may be looking at a great, great, great, great, ... grandaddy.

You see, evolution isn't some random experimentation. What's less fit dies, or fails to reproduce. The net effect of evolution is a convergence toward some kind of fitness for the current environment. When conditions change, the pressures change. Species are changed as a result. "Useless" limbs are not predicted. You just don't understand evolution and are bludgeoning with your ignorance.

307 posted on 10/08/2002 8:54:47 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: American in Israel
Your gold-digging experiences are interesting, as is your leg. Have you found the citation yet for this ludicrous claim, which I had asked you for earlier?
Simple, the same guy that made giraffes made people using the same system, carbon based organic-chemistry controlled by dna. I point that giraffes have the same number of vertebra in their necks as you, yet the DNA of a green tree frog is numerically closer that that of a chimpanzee to human. By judging from the outside evolutionists thought the warm blooded chimpanzee is closer to humans genetically than the cold blooded frog. Since their entire belief structure is being shaken by modern science they are left with faith in the face of reality, and their arguments are getting more shrill than real, unlike creation science which is being augmented by science more in these modern times.

When you uncritically accept obviously false whoppers such as this, it really hurts your credibility on the subject.

312 posted on 10/08/2002 12:20:10 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: American in Israel
Evolutionist are nothing but a bunch of "flat earthers" screaming for the status quo, time changes but man is still the same...

bttt

381 posted on 10/08/2002 7:04:10 PM PDT by f.Christian
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