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Professor Rigid on Evolution (must "believe" to get med school rec)
The Lubbock Avalanche Journal ^ | 10/6/02 | Sebastian Kitchen

Posted on 10/06/2002 8:16:21 AM PDT by hispanarepublicana

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To: templar
NOW CHILDREN, does it REALLY matter a LOT in terms of the laws of the Medes and Persians

exactly who's is longest?

RMMC DANIEL, Would that be Radioman Master Chief? I was a radioman in Taiwan and in the San Diego founding CREDO program. Someone told me recently Radiomen got merged with something else. What?

281 posted on 10/07/2002 2:40:48 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
I find it irrational to presume that our relatively limited perspective(s) [in time and space] and relatively limited perceptual skills AND relatively limited perceptual apparati are sufficient to be remotely close to adequate for the starkly Inquisitional statements of belief evolutionists are so irrationally prone to.

Oh, come now! Next thing, you'll be using that kind of reasoning trying to convince us the world isn't nescessarily flat.

{:-)

282 posted on 10/07/2002 2:43:19 PM PDT by templar
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To: templar
Nawh, I'll leave that to some soused evolution religionists.
283 posted on 10/07/2002 2:58:38 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
Christianity by comparison is several orders of magnitude MORE rational and LESS faith based.

Wherefore by their fruits shall ye know them - Mat 7:20

This is the basis of scientific observation, laid out by Jesus himself. Although he was referring to false prophets at the time (teachers of false belief), the principle is the same. Observation of the results disclose the nature of the cause. Evolutionists, whether they acknowelege it or not, are attempting to apply this religious principle to their theories. I just don't think they are doing so properly, and nothing they argue hs convinced me otherwise (I'm an ex evolutionist, BTW).

284 posted on 10/07/2002 3:04:36 PM PDT by templar
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To: templar
I USED TO THINK it didn't matter. And still mostly don't think it does.

HOWEVER, I do agree that the Huxley thing about 'We killed God off so we could screw like bunnies.' relates to the evolution thing.

I also think there's more gone on--on this globe--in eons past that are not even hinted at in the fossile or any other record we have detected.
285 posted on 10/07/2002 3:08:04 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Quix
the Huxley thing about 'We killed God off so we could screw like bunnies.' relates to the evolution thing.

Theories are tools used to explore and explain the natural world. As any tool from hammers to fire to nuclear fission, they can be used for both good or evil. That people attempt to use the theory of evolution to justify, say eugenics (a common anti-evo cannard), does not invalidate the mechanisms of variation and selection.

I also think there's more gone on--on this globe--in eons past that are not even hinted at in the fossile or any other record we have detected.

I don't mean to insult your intelligence, but you are aware that this can only be a matter of personal belief? And that because we have not detected these events, even indirectly, the realm of science must necessarily remain silent on the matter until evidence of such is brought to light?

286 posted on 10/07/2002 3:39:29 PM PDT by Condorman
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To: Condorman
Of course it's a matter of personal belief.

But . . . given all the evidence we have seen . . .

buried batteries in the midst of granite etc. it just wouldn't surprise me--it would surprise me more if it weren't true.

Besides, it might explain a lot of things that appear like mutually exclusive puzzles at present. No, I don't have a list.

Appreciated your msg.
287 posted on 10/07/2002 3:59:32 PM PDT by Quix
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To: PatrickHenry
Thanks for the heads up!
288 posted on 10/07/2002 8:01:30 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Quix
Thank you for sharing the Scriptures and commentary!
289 posted on 10/07/2002 8:21:27 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: hispanarepublicana
Why do I ask this question? Let’s consider the situation of one wishing to enter medical school. Whereas medicine is historically rooted first in the practice of magic and later in religion, modern medicine is an endeavor that springs from the sciences, biology first among these. The central, unifying principle of biology is the theory of evolution, which includes both micro- and macro-evolution, and which extends to ALL species. How can someone who does not accept the most important theory in biology expect to properly practice in a field that is so heavily based on biology? It is hard to imagine how this can be so, but it is easy to imagine how physicians who ignore or neglect the Darwinian aspects of medicine or the evolutionary origin of humans can make bad clinical decisions. The current crisis in antibiotic resistance is the result of such decisions. For others, please read the citations below."
Professor Dini's Criteria

What Professor Dini shows as his "evidence" is of course total nonsense. The problem with antibiotic resistance does not give proof of evolution. The changes that allow antibiotic resistance make the viri and bacteria much less viable because they invariably make them weaker in normal settings. Further, while many viri and bacteria manage to adapt to new circumstances, in spite of billions of dollars spent every year by the government, by universities, by private corporations to study viri and bacteria, in spite of them being bombarded with chemicals, radiation, and everything up to and including the kitchen sink, not a single one of them has ever transformed itself into anything other than what it was before. So in spite of his claim and that of evolutionists, no one has seen any kind of transformation even in these, the simplest organisms.

Professor Dini is therefore trying to force his atheistic beliefs unto his students. In addition to which, if his 'evidence' was so powerful to justify such extraordinary measures - how come in all his teachings was he not able to convince these students?

This professor should therefore be dismissed. He is not educating, he is indoctrinating and abusing his office as well as his students. He is a petty tyrant and has no place in a learning establishment.

290 posted on 10/07/2002 8:21:29 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
The Ultimate Creation vs. Evolution Resource [ver 19].

Have you read that stuff Patrick? Anything worthwhile in it? Guess not, otherwise you and your friends would discuss the issues instead of degrading these discussions with insults and ad hominems.

291 posted on 10/07/2002 8:31:59 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
Yes. If you were a math teacher, would you recommend someone for further math studies if he didn't truly believe that 2+2 = 4?

Interesting point. How can evolution be called science when the idiots who call themselves scientists propose that you can add genetic information by destroying it (natural selection)? Evolution does not even pass the logic test that is why its proponents have to indulge in the thuggish tactics which Dini is engaging in and which the evolutionists on these threads engage in.

292 posted on 10/07/2002 8:34:53 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
This same exact spam essay

What you call a 'spam essay' is directly relevant to the discussions on each of the threads mentioned. Seems that your sole role in these threads is to insult people and try to silence opponents for telling the truth. You are nothing more than a petty tyrant trying to cover up the flood of truth with your little finger.

293 posted on 10/07/2002 8:40:05 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: Condorman
Theories are tools used to explore and explain the natural world. As any tool from hammers to fire to nuclear fission, they can be used for both good or evil.

What good has evolution ever been used for? Let's see ONE (1) example. There are 100 million examples of its being used for evil, and their bodies are all in graves left unmarked by the followers of Darwinism.

294 posted on 10/07/2002 8:44:48 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
Perfectly understandable. Haven't we been repeatedly told that all scientific research in the last 150 years disproves evolution?

The sliming, liar is at it again totally turning around my statements - and of course he is too much of a coward to make them when I am around or to direct them at me.

The challenge I have posted to evolutionists numerous times Patrick and which you in your total lameness have never been able to refute is as follows:

EVERY DISCOVERY IN BIOLOGY IN THE LAST 150 YEARS HAS TENDED TO DISPROVE EVOLUTION

Refute my statement above slimer.

295 posted on 10/07/2002 8:51:49 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: PatrickHenry
Blocking for the Luddites placemarker.

More insults from Patrick, what else is new.

296 posted on 10/07/2002 8:53:23 PM PDT by gore3000
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To: American in Israel
Simple, the same guy that made giraffes made people using the same system, carbon based organic-chemistry controlled by dna. I point that giraffes have the same number of vertebra in their necks as you, yet the DNA of a green tree frog is numerically closer that that of a chimpanzee to human. By judging from the outside evolutionists thought the warm blooded chimpanzee is closer to humans genetically than the cold blooded frog. Since their entire belief structure is being shaken by modern science they are left with faith in the face of reality, and their arguments are getting more shrill than real, unlike creation science which is being augmented by science more in these modern times.
BZZZZZZZZTTTTT!!!!!!! That is quite false. Please provide a reference or link to that claim.
297 posted on 10/07/2002 8:58:15 PM PDT by jennyp
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To: gore3000
Don't forget those killed by the anti-Darwinist, Joseph Stalin.
298 posted on 10/07/2002 9:04:41 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Alamo-Girl
THANKS FOR SAYING SO.

YANCEY'S BOOK IS WONDERFUL. He goes into some very wrenching historical issues with some excellent philosophical voices from Judiasm etc.

BTW, praying all is overcomingly moving toward wholeness in your health department.

BLESSINGS,
299 posted on 10/07/2002 9:31:14 PM PDT by Quix
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To: VadeRetro
no geological or paleontological evidence of any sort could be found to indicate the occurrence of a world-wide flood. (Numbers, 1992, pp 291-293) Hare concluded, "We have been taught for years that almost everything in the geological record is the result of the Flood. I've seen enough in the field to realize that quite substantial portions of the geologic record are not the direct result of the Flood

ROFL! some things are not from the flood even though most are, so there is no flood? Let me guess, this guy owns shares on the brooklyn bridge.

It all sounds so well and good, but I spent many years as a prospector going all the places that evolutionists don't go. Matter of fact, never I met a single one in the field. Guess they don't exist.

I applied the theory of the flood to prospecting and found it works incredibly well. Nothing else explains the distribution of placer gold. I have dug a few hundred tons of rock and gravel looking for the elusive "yello poo" and besides finding gold, found more than a couple of fossils.

The biggest test for me was a project we did on placerita canyon park. It was a very unusual concentration of placer in the Los Angles area. (of course the govt made a lizard counting park there to close it down). We noticed that the canyon was turned 90 degrees in retrospect to the other canyons in the area that showed only very minor amounts of placer. We then took the topo-maps of the entire county and looked for another cross-wise canyon. It had no name, but it sure had a lot of gold. Some how the govt beat us to that one too, it was called a "future equestrian area" (horse path) and closed down too. But we did the survey anyway.

The key for me was that the canyon had in addition to its concentration in the watershed in the bottom of the canyon, a high concentration on the upward side of the entire canyon walls and NOTHING on the down ward side. You have to understand sluice boxes to know why that shows the water flow direction.

In short, we prospected the entire canyon structure of the Grapevine area with a perspective of the entire mountain structure being under water. The distribution of Gold proved that all of Canyon Country was under water so deep that the canyons did not influence the water flow direction. I can tell you without a shadow of doubt that the water on the earth was well over 3500 feet high from the fossils in those mountains and from the geographical distribution of gold.

I find it humorous that a bunch of people who most likely never walked a hundred yards from a road or ever did any original research can "refute" creationism by looking at a pile of dusty books. I look for gold in creation, they look for answers in the sewers of men's minds.

Anybody who has spent any quality time in creation instead of a city with half a brain open will become convinced evolution is foolish.

I am a creationist, but not because someone has proven it, just because it is. Where are all the useless appendages that evolutionary experimentation would have generated? Ever studied the sleek design of an ant? Incredible! Our own creations are a joke next to the bugs we walk on and we think they are better engineers than us? That makes either us dumber than a bug or there is a God, you take your pick. Evolutionist are nothing but a bunch of "flat earthers" screaming for the status quo, time changes but man is still the same...

Trillions of dollars have been spent to prove creation in research, but beyond the tendency to find what you are looking for in an empty box (talk to any hunter that "sees" a buck in a moving bush until their dog walks out,) there is more proof every day of creation generated by accident that is being generated willfull intent by science.

My wife said once apon reading an article about trying to create life in the laboratory with chemicals and lighting bolts, why don't they just kill a rabbit? It has all the right parts and pieces in place and in order, make it live.

I have seen a little child pray for a man with a bad back and a short leg in church. I saw his leg grow longer with my own eyes. He walks upright and healed to this day. I am that man. (right now with tears in my eyes for joy) I was not able to stand for more than 10 minutes without my legs growing numb. I have no problem to this day. I no longer need an insert in my shoe so that I can walk better.

Go ahead, find in some book why I can not be healed, why I am not really walking, why I really do hurt but just don't know it. What a sad pitiful life man leads without God...

I started posting on Freeper in the foreign affairs section because of the lies of the Palestinians. I HATE lies. I have intentionaly kept away from the Evilootanry threads because I considered it a waste of time. Never teach a pig to sing, it is a waste of time, and the pig will only hate you. But This CRAPOLA that is being posted in such plastic science terms is downright irritating.

300 posted on 10/07/2002 10:50:47 PM PDT by American in Israel
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